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He's a Russian asset, what do they think he is going to do anything that's in the US's best interest? He's here to burn it to the ground and line his pockets with what's not ashes.
Honestly at this point I don't know how anyone can't see the obvious.
What can we do besides impotently complain about this on the internet?
It was said below but I really think that there needs to be more people that are willing to run for office with a more progressive message.
I know it's not as sexy as revolution or CEO-cide but it really is a better way to make changes without fucking the country up completely.
So how the fuck do you run for office ? I don't know but there are resources that can help. If you don't want to run that's fair but as you mentioned the time to just sit around and bitch online in an echo chamber is done. Progressives are going to have to find a way to make their voices heard and in a way that isn't talking down to people.
Note: I get the anger and the desire to want to scare the fuck out of the ruling class. But murder isn't the only thing that the ruling class is scared of, they also don't want people to vote for their own self-interest. They don't want the people to demand billionaires pay more in taxes. And a significant group of progressive politicians would scare the shit out of the established ruling class.
With all the anger about the dead CEO lately and rightfully angry people in glee over the violence, I truly think we could accomplish more with a general strike. Crash the fake economy built on fraud. If wall street looses billions a day in their fictional numbers they throw around we would show them real power. This would accomplish more than any dead CEO ever could.
Saw a post where the Trump administration is eyeing pulling FDIC from our banks! They already plan on crashing the economy. Stealing all your money, and making the US in Russia's image.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/trump-advisers-reported-plan-ease-banking-oversight-may-not-get-required-support-2024-12-13/
If we beat them to the punch we might still have our bank account money at least while their fictional money evaporates into thin air.
One thing the real rich people won't stand for is their money vanishing. If we hold out long enough the real wealthy will likely turn on him, hell he might fall out a window!
I never understood the whole “they won’t stand for losing money” tactic. What you’re asking them to do with a general strike is to relinquish their money to the masses and reduce the wealth gap significantly. They won’t do that. They will do literally anything, including forcing people back to work for them with violence from mercenary groups (or robot dogs, which is horrifying to me) before they submit to the will of the people. A general strike would be a good step, but if you think it will go over well for the working class without any bloodshed then you should learn about how the elites have treated striking in the past.
It wasn't the poor oppressed peoples of Rome that undid Caesar, it was the disaffected members of the elite.
The best option for the least bloodshed it to force the hand of those in power to act in their own self interest. If their best option is getting rid of the source of their problems in an attempt to retain the money and power they have they will stab anyone in the back to get what they want.
We need to split their class solidarity.
Also people keep using Rome as if things aren’t drastically different this time around.
Much easier for them to do to us than vice versa. They know this.
It's going to be hard to convince people to strike when so many of them are in massive debt and live paycheck-to-paycheck.
When you can barely feed your kids on what little you're paid, you're a lot less willing to strike. Especially if you aren't in a union and can be fired for it. And the corpos know it and rely on it.
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Luigi even said that in the manifesto- economic protest isn't viable in this system. He's basically right.
So the plan is to wait till more people choose violence and hope that does anything but solidify the ruling class behind armed forces and impenetrable walls of security and eventually anonymity. To me that seems like a waste of valuable time, resources and lives.
Violence should be the last resort. I truly believe that general strike is the best option.
"Best option" does not mean "realistic option". I think you're correct. I also think we've been (intentionally) pushed to a point where we can't exercise that option.
I wholeheartedly agree it's a hard sell. What other viable non violent means do we have left?
Do we wait for the ruling class to crash the economy? The people will be even more fucked than they are now.
People are going to have to be willing to put themselves at risk or there will be no reward, only serfdom and abject destitute for all.
That’s the thing. I don’t think there are any viable non violent means left. Unless some magical unicorn leader gains power in the US and other countries the elites are tied to fast that is willing to wrench power from their hands through legal means, and looking at global political movements as they stand right now I do not think that is going to happen any time soon.
I do not hold out hope for enough people who are willing to make altruistic sacrifices for it to work. I lost all optimism I might have had when it came to America on the first Wednesday in November.
Fair enough, I haven't yet succumbed to apathy.
Understanding that violent means are the only realistic way to change things at this point is not apathy.
Build connections in your local community. Organize and elect your candidates at the local level