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[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

no, its part of the state.

see, the state IS NOT the government. those words are not equivalent. the government is part of the state. so are many many private industries and companies under capitalism. this is basic theory

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Then I obviously need some suggestions on theory to read, because I didn't know that.

Edit: @LaughingLion is your definition of the state from Lenin's "The State And Revolution"? I saw that in a used book store and picked it up on the chance it is.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

the government is part of the state.

And the citizens too, in your definition. But we are not talking about that dictionary definition, we are talking about the legal definition.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

no, we arent talking about dictionary definitions

private insurers are part of the state for the purpose of how it is presented in the comment i replied to. very much so. irrevocably so. in no sense are they NOT part of the state in that context. they are entwined in the legislative process. they own and operate the capital that makes an entire industry operate in our system, the state we live in. they rule, in a very real sense.

this is the pretty much the most base level of theory here so it doesnt surprise me that a lemmy user doesnt get it and is trying to "by your logic" me on this. ya'll stay ignorant