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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 44 points 4 weeks ago

I dunno

Don't feel intimidated or coerced

[-] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, I feel inspired and motivated. Not in relation to what Luigi did, just to start playing Minecraft again.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 41 points 4 weeks ago

I’ve made this joke before and I think I’m going to get a lot of mileage out of it: we are the real libertarians.

[-] prole@hexbear.net 34 points 4 weeks ago

I mean, yeah? All of the OG libertarians from the 1800s were socialists/communists/anarchists. The entire ideology was built on leftist values and eventually the term just got stolen by rightwingers. Same as the Nazis stealing socialism and anarcho-capitalism being an invention of the people who stole libertarianism

[-] Des@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

to the politically nonaligned chuddy people i interact with in RL think i'm just a libertarian. they think that just means brainy Republican-adjacent type and i just shovel left wing concepts at them

the U.S. is fucked we basically are going to have to end up doing weird entryism especially since right libertarian mask off moment is here and under the mask is a violent police state enforcing corporate capitalism that comes across so impersonal they actual think it's communism lol

i just sell commie concepts as a "small business paradise" where everyone can follow their dreams, the state has a light touch and just manages large scale stuff (commanding heights) in the background and everyone co-owns their place of business. USAians love this shit

honestly even if a collapse comes ML will never gain purchase in the U.S. the state is too wrecked. there's not much to seize besides the military.

best we will ever get will be some kind of market socialist libertarian marxism or ancom if a full collapse return to villages scenerio happens

[-] prole@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, the idea that the US would do anything other than more fascism is difficult to imagine without some radical shifts. Privatization and means testing (bureaucracy in general really) has basically killed or is killing everything even close to good about the US/state governments. Hardly anyone has anything beyond a vague, heavily propagandized understanding of history, politics, etc.

[-] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah actual left libertarians are fine, basically ancoms

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 38 points 4 weeks ago
[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 24 points 4 weeks ago

"Intimidation" of the only civilian population that counts: C-suite management professionals.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 22 points 4 weeks ago

The government is the only entity that can realistically change the healthcare system. They’re not gonna do it themselves.

This is just good terrorism.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 21 points 4 weeks ago

I posted in the news mega but I don't think the charge requires a health insurance company to be a unit of government

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

Something when states are co mingled with corporate hitler-detector

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 19 points 4 weeks ago

the health insurance industry is definitely part of the state and im not even joking about that its basic understanding of what the state is

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 9 points 4 weeks ago

It should be a part of the state, but it's privatized.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

the State is a special organisation of force: it is an organisation of violence for the suppression of some Social class.

lenin-crush-capitalism

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

no, its part of the state.

see, the state IS NOT the government. those words are not equivalent. the government is part of the state. so are many many private industries and companies under capitalism. this is basic theory

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Then I obviously need some suggestions on theory to read, because I didn't know that.

Edit: @LaughingLion is your definition of the state from Lenin's "The State And Revolution"? I saw that in a used book store and picked it up on the chance it is.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago

the government is part of the state.

And the citizens too, in your definition. But we are not talking about that dictionary definition, we are talking about the legal definition.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago

no, we arent talking about dictionary definitions

private insurers are part of the state for the purpose of how it is presented in the comment i replied to. very much so. irrevocably so. in no sense are they NOT part of the state in that context. they are entwined in the legislative process. they own and operate the capital that makes an entire industry operate in our system, the state we live in. they rule, in a very real sense.

this is the pretty much the most base level of theory here so it doesnt surprise me that a lemmy user doesnt get it and is trying to "by your logic" me on this. ya'll stay ignorant

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

I think at the high end everyone acknowledges that corporations are part of the government

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