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Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

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[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So my only question really is whether these people are deliberate agents provocateur who are now feebly trying to hide the fact that they were working for the benefit of Trump all along or if they're blithering idiots who are genuinely so fucking stupid that they didn't see this coming

I see no third option - it's one or the other

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I suspect a lot of people thought everything would go back to 2016 if Trump won. There would be a big "resistance" movement and they could be important players in it. The small time ones like these guys thought they would get lots of attention and could push their own accelerationist agenda, and the bigger ones like CNN, WaPo and NYT thought they would go back to making lots of money on subscriptions and ad sales.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep.

The media was in on it in hopes that they could get so much ad revenue for farming dissent over every single thing that Trump says as he dementia blathers and bungles his way around the White House.

The wealthy are in on it in hopes that since Trump is a grifter, there is a good chance that they can be in on the grift and let Trump take all the blame for their actions well they pocket the money and run.

Kamala being president would have been a stable time in America and nothing is worse for grift and skeezy bullshit than political stability.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago

I wouldn't consider the previous four years under Biden as a stable time in America (compared to the late 90s for example), but yeah, would have been more stable than the first Trump term. I don't think Harris winning would have changed much of the vibe under Biden, as long as Congress is pretty much an even split and and the majority of the Supreme Court justices are utterly corrupt.

[–] sundrei 14 points 5 months ago

It's also possible it was a intra-group power grab from a place of genuine despair and hopelessness. Historically, it's been difficult to convince Muslims to deny their votes to Democrats because the political alternative was so bad. But the genocide in Gaza eclipsed those concerns, and it became the Muslim and Palestinian groups' primary focus. This allowed Muslim and Palestinian political organizers an unprecedented opportunity to flex their political muscle, and to demand more attention and power within the Left's already tenuous coalition.

The hangover will come when 1) the genocide continues, 2) anti-Muslim sentiment and policies at home increase, and 3) they realize they have bought themselves increased bargaining power within a political faction that is effectively completely powerless. But their alternative was to elect a Israeli ally who would continue to ignore Muslim and Palestinian voices. It's just a real shit-show any way you slice it.