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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

And yet, the most popular, and desired (and one of the most admired) IDEs that developers use all day, everyday, is built using Electron:

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/#2-integrated-development-environment

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

~~vscode isn't an IDE, but an actual IDE written in electron would be horrible.~~

I don't want to argue about this anymore. I admit i had a bad take, and this whole thread is just arguing about semantics at this point. Does it even really matter if vscode is an IDE or not? If it works, it works.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What functionality is Vscode lacking for it to be an IDE?

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

IDEs come bundled with tooling, such as debuggers, intelligent code completion, and OOTB language support, and language servers.

vscode out of the box doesn't have any of these, you install them with plugins. jetbrains products, for example would be IDEs, but editors like vscode and neovim aren't. Those are code editors.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What’s different between Vscode and other editors like Vim is how easy it is to make it a fully fledged IDE. Usually a notification pops up about analyzers being available, and if you click accept it’s done. Just one click of a button.

With Vim it’s not that easy. You need to install many separate plugins just to make it a fraction of an IDE.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree. I was mainly thinking of neovim, but i guess vim works in this example, too.

I was talking about the base editor itself, though. In the end it doesn't even matter what we consider VSCode to be, i feel this thread has just devolved into arguing about semantics and bikeshedding, and there's no correct solution.

I think i'll just be deleting my main comment, admit I had a bad take and move on. i'm tired of arguing about this.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seems unnecessarily pedantic 🤷

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think it really matters, but the implication you can write a whole IDE in electron is just insane.

It is pretty pedantic, i agree. I don't want to start an argument about something as pointless as this, though.

[–] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But aren't the plugins also basically part of the electron app after installing? But I have no idea how electron, vscode and their plugins acrually work.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not really. there's VSCode itself, and then there's the extensions on top of it. But my main point was how vscode wasn't designed to be an IDE, just a customizable code editor. Like neovim or emacs, you could customize it to the point of being similar to an IDE, but they're still not considered IDEs.

[–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So if I ship a version of vscode with a few extensions pre installed I can call it an ide?

[–] kryptonidas@lemmings.world 3 points 5 months ago

Integrated you mean? Into the development environment? 😉

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Fuck, you got me there.

[–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You could call vscode a "DIY IDE Building Kit" because everybody is using it that way.

After you put all the extensions together you basically got a fully featured "IDE" for most languages out there.

Nobody I know uses vscode like a simple "code editor".

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

I agree, neither do i. I was talking about base vscode, but i don't think it even matters anymore. There's really no proper answer. Some people use it like a notepad, some people use it like a fully fledged IDE. I'm just tired of arguing over this, and i admit i had a bad take.

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think that whether it needs plugins or not to do the job isn’t really relevant.

You can develop software in a large number of languages including writing the code (with intelligent code completion), building it, committing it to source control and running and debugging it.

If it didn’t use plugins to do that then it’d huge and take ages to start up.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I didn't mean it in a bad way. I prefer how vscode does it. and i think you're right.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org -3 points 5 months ago

Being good

Fuck M$

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's literally listed in stack overflow's section on IDEs, functions as a replacement for an IDE, was architected so that plugins can turn it into an IDE, and is distributed with plugins made by the same company that turn it into an IDE. Insisting that it's not an IDE in this context isnt helping anyone communicate, it's just being pedantic.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They also list vim and notepad++ as IDEs, pretty sure they just meant code editors in general.

Fucking NANO is on the list 😂

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

With enough plugins vim can have almost all of the features of an ide. Not that I recommend using it like that tho.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

This distinction is not useful since the creation of language servers.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm keeping an eye on Zed: https://zed.dev/

Yeah, AI, whatever. It's written in Rust and looks pretty great.

[–] MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah you can turn off the AI it's not mandatory, besides, it's really fast, has built in support for LSP's , custom themes which are easy to make, vim mode out of the box, extensions, and some GitHub functionalities.

I was using Kate because electron is too much of a hog on my system and zed works insanely well (it's slightly slower than Kate though but not very important)

I wish you could turn off the automatic downloads on zed though (or have a prompt to confirm the download) but it's really shaping up to be a great text editor.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm currently mid-migration from Windows to Linux, so I have to wait until the Windows release or until I finish migrating (I'm not really up for building a beta at this point), but I'm very excited.

[–] MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

It's not done, but I've replaced VSCode and haven't felt the need to come back, moreover If I were to go back I'd miss Zed because it's just that good.

Like it feels so light and fast 🤤

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago

Why is Spacemacs listed separately to Emacs when it's just a fancy Emacs' config?