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Bernie Sanders blasts Trump for federal loans and grants freeze: ‘He is not a king’
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I don’t care. We cannot continue this ’lesser evil’ bullshit. Look where it’s gotten us.
Ignoring the "lesser evil" route got us Trump and his cabinet. Good for us. Things will get much worse much more quickly. There's not going to be a revolution or some great reset. Just oppression. Hard miserable oppression.
Both candidates were openly supporting genocide in the last presidential election. Neither were a lesser evil.
So you are saying things would be exactly as bad had Harris or Biden won?
I’m saying both would’ve committed the same crime, and killed just as many Palestinians.
I’m a socialist. I don’t participate in the Red & Blue MAGA obsession over which flavor of demagogue should be empowered and worshipped.
That's all well and good, but it's also not the question I am asking. Assuming your statement is correct, are you saying everything would be just as bad as it is or is going to get with Harris or Biden?
I don’t know. I guess it depends on your demographic. I don’t see how dying under a Democrat is better than dying under a Republican. Once it’s bad enough, the degree of how bad between the two is irrelevant.
If the only options are Hitler or Mussolini, the only correct choice is to fight the entire system.
Do you actually think the same number of people would die under Biden or Harris? Assuming your comparison is entirely correct the conclusion implies a singular choice. Fighting the entire system can happen in every scenario. If voting for the lesser of two evils is able to reduce the harm to a few people or buy time to fight the system then that seems like the better choice. Mussolini only caused the deaths of thousands, not the millions Hitler did. Maybe at that level those are just statistics, each and every person between those numbers has friends and family that would disagree.
"While evil triumphs and your rigid ideals crumbles into blood stained dust the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns".
I despised Biden and Harris. Voting for them brought me no joy. However I can say that I am already seeing additional harm being done that was not before Trump won.
Is there anything the Dems could possibly do that you would be unable to stomach? Unable to participate in to any degree?
If yes, why isn’t it this? If no, you are in a cult.
Anything that results in more human suffering than the alternative. Like I said before one is demonstrably worse than the other. We don't live in a movie or book. I'm going to keep fighting the same I always have, and I can do that WHILE choosing the option with less suffering.
I get the other commenters position, but I also understand that abstaining or 'protest voting' for a 3rd party that legitimately cannot win in our system does nothing but make it more likely that the far worse option comes in.
I think the rest of their points are shortsighted, and that you are correct. We have limited power to influence things, and using that limited power to lessen the suffering as much as we can is most important.
Now the people of Palestine are likely to suffer worse than they would under Harris, as well as a great deal of Americans, albeit to a lesser degree.
That's outright not true. You can claim Kamala wouldn't have tried hard enough to stop the genocide but she did NOT openly support it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/8/8/harris-campaign-denies-support-for-cutting-off-weapons-transfers-to-israel
She also supported a ceasefire and two-state solution. Yes, she was more pro-Israel than I'd have liked, but that doesn't mean she's anti-Palestine.
She supported continuing arms sales to Israel, which is a crime. It’s a violation of both domestic & international laws. And we know the White House attorneys made the administration aware of this.
There’s no way to double talk out of this one.
How exactly was that doublespeak?
You’re asking how claiming to support a ceasefire, while declaring a commitment to continue illegally arming the genocide, is doublespeak?
…Do you know what that word means?