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I just hate that Spez continues to act like 3rd parties didn't offer or cite reasonable examples and costs for api access. No one was saying cost was not an option but it was a ludicrous cost and an amazingly short timeline that started the whole fiasco.
He's a big fan of the strawman argument.
If I recall the Apollo dev's comments, he said someone from Twitter told him that the pricing was designed to kill third party apps in the same way Twitter killed them. The pricing is doing exactly what was intended and has nothing to do with the API costs to Reddit.
I like to gues that that person is jack. Since the people he follow are mostly from the FOSS and privacy oriented community.
Yes, the "fuck you price" as a vlogger recently called it. A price you put up if you actually don't want to make business with someone, but can't say that openly without losing face. So you put up a price no one in their right mind is willing to pay to get what you want (they leave), without technically excluding anyone, so you don't lose face. Glad how this backfired.
As a user, I would have even shouldered my own cost. $2.50/mo for a no ad experience on the app I prefer? Seems reasonable.
I’ve been a Reddit subscriber since 2014. Hell. Tie in api access to your sub.
On npr he said the api price was the price. Like what a non answer. He then cited the entire running cost for the cite but nothing about how apis use it. Nor how google and MS have had to have their own infrastructures built out for them.
It’s just stupid. I unsubscribed and deleted all my content for 16 years. I may be a minority but I will just abuse their system now with blockers and use them as a one way resource when I’m led there. I did not appreciate his characterization of the users or Christian.
I suspect this is the real reason spez wants third-party apps gone.
I think if they just wanted to serve ads to third party apps they would have worked out a deal with them to revenue share at the very least and do this.
My guess is that they want to pitch Reddit as this huge datasource for AI in the upcoming IPO and they can't do that if they're giving it away for free.
What's to stop AI companies from just scraping Reddit's HTML? The two big AI companies—Google and Microsoft—already do that as part of their search engine indexing!
HTML scraping is standard practice for AI development in most major companies. It's not even actually that difficult, there are tools like Selenium that make it really easy and manageable to completely automate.
Shhh don't tell investors when they IPO soon!
I looked at the reddit premium and balked at the cost. I would have paid $10 or $20, but $60? For what? It's not the ads or the benefits but the experience. Demonstrably, third party apps provide a better experience at a lower price. And when I wanted to put my money where my mouth was, I walked away thinking Reddit is being the unreasonable ass hole.i could care less about Reddit Gold or whatever, Reddit just thinks too highly of itself and it's place on the internet.
I mean, that is a thing apps could have done to resolve the situation, the fact they chose not to take that route wasn't Reddit's decision. (Not that I blame devs for not wanting to play ball after seeing how Reddit's team slandered the Apollo dev, that was inexcusable and likely burned a lot of bridges. I wouldn't want to negotiate with them either.)