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This magazine is dedicated to discussions of issues that men and boys face, especially disadvantages or discrimination due to their gender, from an egalitarian perspective.

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Please don't let this turn into an anti-feminist, misogynistic, right-wing, tribal community (kbin.social)

submitted 2 years ago by elouboub@kbin.social to c/men@kbin.social

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You will be no better than the people you'll fight against. I've seen it happen on every pro-men subreddit, and if this place isn't aggressively moderated to dispel hopelessness, negativity, and prejudice, it'll just turn into hate.

Incel, mens-rights activist, red-pill, black-pill, MGTOW, etc. don't let the haters join otherwise this community will end up just like the aforementioned.

Egalitarian from a male perspective is what we should be, not pro-male (I say male because of sex and gender).

Be excellent to each other.

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[–] a-man-from-earth@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is an over-generalisation of feminism.

Says you. But you didn't give any of the evidence asked for.

Feminists regularly state that men as individuals are not well served by a patriarchal system. [...] A lot of this is just the misunderstanding of "men" as a social group, and "men" as individuals. Critique of the social systems affecting a group cannot be simply applied to every individual within that group.

So men in general are bad, but some individuals are okay? Yeah, that's misandry. And that's why we cannot work with most feminist activists. They are bigots.

I've tried. I've honestly tried. When I was active on Reddit I tried to ally with a feminist or feminist-adjacent group that would not demonize men. I found a few individuals, but no community (/subreddit) that would actually embrace men as equals and oppose misandry.

And that's a reflection of what happens in politics. Feminist politicians, lobbyists, and activist groups often say they want equality, but their actions often show the opposite.

In the welcome thread you favourited comments that consider feminism to have a "focus on female supremacy"

It often does.

and to be "genocidal".

I don't agree with that. Just because I upvote a comment does not mean I agree with every phrase in it.

That same comment thread deliberately misinterprets feminist distinction between "group" and "individual"

How so? Doesn't feminism habitually demonize men as a group? And isn't demonizing people based on innate characteristics bigotry?

To be very frank, you are not pro women's advocacy if that is the sort of generalisation that you encourage.

Nonsense. Don't you understand the difference between a gender and an ideology? We are pro women, but oppose feminist ideology because of its misandry.

(Yes, there are schools of feminism that are not, but they are fringe.)

meaningful men's advocacy is only going to gain actual traction by working with feminists towards egalitarianism.

That sounds a bit like meaningful black advocacy is only going to gain actual traction by working with white supremacists towards egalitarianism.

There is no working with bigots.

(And yes, I'm aware there are many "passive" feminists who believe the propaganda that the movement is for equality. We welcome them to open their eyes and work with us.)

But if there are feminists who are pro men and pro equality, we would love to work with them. The problem is that in practice they are very hard to find.