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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Shikadi to c/sdfpubnix

(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)

Hi, someone posted this on another server. I'd like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it's full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won't live in a state that doesn't allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.

" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.

It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don't believe me check the instance for yourself, you'll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."

Edit: So many commenters think this is about political opinions or disagreement. It's not. If I said "Mixing bleach and ammonia is good for you" I bet some of you would call that a political disagreement.

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[-] nickwitha_k 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not SDF, or even that familiar with the organisation, but I would argue we shouldn't let such people use this instance. Or grandma from my example, for that matter.

I'm not sure that this approach is in-line with the org's stated mission.

[-] CanadaPlus 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, okay.

In case that read as an ageist thing, it's not, there's plenty of equally dumb 20-somethings. It might be elitist, I guess I have to own that.

[-] nickwitha_k 3 points 1 year ago

This instance is run by a 501(c) non-profit and their stated mission is:

Our mission is to provide remotely accessible computing facilities for the advancement of public education, cultural enrichment, scientific research and recreation. Members can interact electronically with each other regardless of their location using passive or interactive forums. Further purposes include the recreational exchange of information concerning the Liberal and Fine Arts.

I didn't necessarily take your statement to be ageist. However, considering the above, excluding those who may not have strong critical reasoning skills or understanding of the Internet really seems contradictory.

[-] CanadaPlus 2 points 1 year ago

A 501© also has to steer clear of politics, at least on paper, which could be an issue here. It's odd that I know that as a non-American.

[-] nickwitha_k 2 points 1 year ago

And neither hate speech nor speech aimed at inciting or celebrating violence against minority groups are considered protected, political speech. So, I would see that as a moot point. If it were a case of "we should de-federate because these are instances where policies are discussed that I disagree with", you might have a point in that.

However, that's clearly not the case. It took less than a minute, not searching, to find content from these instances that is using falsified information to demonize and foment hatred against those in the LGBTQ+, including communities dedicated to that purpose. Human rights and whether all deserve them is not a political topic, despite being made central to some political parties' platforms. It is one of basic human dignity and ethics.

[-] CanadaPlus 3 points 1 year ago

In a similar vein, in Canada promotion of hate is written in as an exception to freedom of expression in the Charter and criminalised (although that's not very often enforced).

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