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[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Steam may be a very successful business, but they’re still the seed crystal for a whole ecosystem of gambling that preys on addicts and children with the whole CSGO loot box thing. Take a wild guess what forms of addiction have the highest suicide rates?

Fuck Valve. Fuck all Corps. No business has ever nor can ever, genuinely give a shit about anything other than increasing profit.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

On the other hand, Valve wishing to seek an alternative to Microsoft's poor decision^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)#cite_note-cvg_newell_linux-2%3A%7E%3Atext=upon+the+release+of+Windows+8+in+2012] making has been a great boon to the Linux community. Valve was also there at the start of Vulkan^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan#History]. But is "funny" that Gabe Newell started off as a Microsoft employee, in fact the one that led the team that ported Doom to Windows with Doom95 and in turn also helped launch Windows (95) as the gaming OS for decades to come.

As much as I distrust and hate corporations, Valve isn't in it for the shareholders, you can't buy Valve stocks and that means they at least have a bit more soul than a lot of other corporations - even though they are profit seeking.

What I don't like about them is how they sell you a service, not an actual game. You technically buy a lifelong lease on each game, never ownership. Your shit can be gone in minutes with nothing to prove for it, except for bank statements saying Valve took your money.

Which is why I'll always buy on GOG^[https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog] if possible. DRM free and European.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does everyone just keep glossing over the ‘they enable the abuse of addicts and children” part?

I’m not saying I disagree with your other points I’m just confused.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because it's a weak-ass point, quite simply. Capitalism itself does that shit, not gonna knock Valve for something every game company does, if we play that game with everyone it gets exhausting

"Wont SOMEBODY think of the children?" Is literally a Simpsons meme

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every game company does not operate a gambling system that is the center for a literal whole ecosystem of predatory shady businesses. But that was a halfway decent try at a whataboutism argument /s.

Yes that quote is at the heart of a Simpsons episode. And it’s about people using moral panic crusades as a means of enacting draconian measures of control based on a fear based in falsehood. Valve demonstrably engages in the practices I mentioned so I think your point kind of falls completely on its face. I am glad to see you recognize capitalism as inherently exploitative though.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every game company does not operate a gambling system that is the center for a literal whole ecosystem of predatory shady businesses.

Making a more specific point after the fact doesn't change the original point.

whataboutism

So busy trying to sound smart you proved you weren't worth engaging with

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

This reads like you took in all the words I wrote and then responded to them without actually understanding or comprehending any of the content.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Linux is more important to them than child abuse.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was playing around with things, noticed that at least my instance supported citation of sources. I normally do . But now I know that not every instance supports if you couldn't see it.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

Valve is a privately owned company.

Publicly owned companies want more prodit because well we want out interest and return on stocks and a stable pension etc as well right? That all pushes publicly owned companies to get more and more profit every year.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No business?

I work as a software developer for a small business and they do care about us and not just profits.

Recently we were all given a pay rise and a reduction in hours as they can afford to support that.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Correct, no business. That same business will lay you off in a heartbeat if they can. Businesses do not care about you.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Also, not true in my case.

They do care and have shown on numerous occasions my supporting me when I have needed it and instilling in us that we come first and the business is secondary.

Like the owners literally do the same work as us and are far more accommodating than they have to be for us.

How else would you get a pay rise and a reduction in hours, able to work from home when having car trouble, not having a good mental health day fine take it off, etc. We also don’t have any targets or KPIs and don’t actively seek new work as our clients are loyal.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I cede my point. I knew I was laid off for being a piece of shit, I just knew it.

Sorry, I’m not doing great these days.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m not saying you’re a piece of shit, just that there are a few good employers out there. I also realise I am lucky.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Nah you’re good sorry wasn’t implying that.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago

What a myopic view of the world.

Anyone can start a business and treat their employees and customers fairly. It's just that in our Stockholm Syndrome Society, the businesses who abuse us are the most successful.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

No that’s what Angelosaxton (American) companies are about.

Most privately owned companies don’t care about making as much profit as possible. They want a healthy company that can pay them their salary and save up money for their pension.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Depends if the business it publicly owned.

I think valve are mostly fair to consumers. The money they make from gamers is doing some good in the linux sphere.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought it was pretty well known Valve is privately owned.

They make money selling off of gamers by selling games. They take advantage of and enable systemic abuse of, I’ll say it again, addicts and children. I’m not saying they aren’t also fair to their customers in most of their dealings and that they aren’t doing good things for the Linux ecosystem. But we’re also talking way more money than I bet you’re thinking. Gabe’s uber rich person kink is super-yachts. Multiple, super-yachts. You can appear and behave with decency and still contribute to the detriment of society at the same time.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Get lawmakers to make a law about it and properly work it out. Valve is banning loot boxes even for people who are legally allowed to gamble.

The issue is that it is hard to legally define whaf a lootbox is and stop it without stopping things like TCG drafts and RGB loot from bosses or enemies on games.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like a systemic issue...

*glances at capitalism" 👀

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Also an entirely voluntary issue with viable quality alternatives that exists solely due to people not chosing FOSS video games to play.

Examples:

Platformer- Super Tux

FPS- Xotonix

Strategy- Beyond All Reason

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with this, but you have to admit that if all corps were like steam it would be a lot better.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Hey both things can be true. I feel like at this point though the only reason they haven’t stopped the whole gambling thing is because it’s basically a money faucet and in a monetary economy who’d ever turn off a money faucet? But that’s the rub, greed is inherently incentivized.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I'm gonna add that the ceo is a bilionare who owns an entire fleet of mega yacths

https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/gabe-newell-luxury-yachts.php

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

The crates where fine in TF2 …. Before CSGO got made, but due to CSGO and other games it’s an issue.

But while you consider it gambling, most laws don’t. It’s currently only banned in NL and BE to open lootboxes on Steam and in NL we have legal online gambling for 18+, but Valve won’t gives you access to the lootboxes.

The point is that one laws need to be more clear about what is gambling and what isn’t without ruining anything that uses randomizers and/or loot and there needs to be a better way to validate people’s age without hurting their privacy.