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"The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That doesn’t de jure apply to non-citizens at the border, never mind de facto.

[–] sharkyfox@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rights don't apply to non-citizens? You sure?

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Relevant section on Wikipedia:

The government may not criminally punish immigrants based on speech that would be protected if said by a citizen.[83] On entry across borders, the government may bar non-citizens from the United States based on their speech, even if that speech would have been protected if said by a citizen.[84] Speech rules as to deportation, on the other hand, are unclear.[85] Lower courts are divided on the question, while the leading cases on the subject are from the Red Scare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Regarding the protections against illegal searches, I think all bets are off, even for US citizens.

[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Visitors to the US have been asked if they were members of the communist party since forever though?

IDK if those who replied "yes" would be sent back, but I do remember reading about Chinese communist party members being denied entry to the US.

I don't see much difference between this and that as far as the 1st amendment is concerned... aren't you idealizing the 1st amendment (and/or how seriously the US takes it)?

PS: let me make clear that I'm not trying to defend the indefensible behaviour of the Trump administration in any way

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

The important judges are trumps pals.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There’s no first or fourth amendment rights within 100 miles of the border of the USA. Probably other missing rights too.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

Federal law allows certain federal agents to conduct search and seizures within 100 miles (160 km) of the border into the interior of the United States.[5] The Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly confirmed that the border search exception applies within 100 miles (160 km) of the border of the United States

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This practice exists, but is in violation of guaranteed constitutional rights. The rights still exist and must be respected. The United States' failure to do so does not absolve the responsibility, nor does it negate the reality of the rights in question. The laws and practices enabling this situation are unconstitutional and thus illegitimate.

As for what can be done about it, the responsibility of the average person is to be LOUD about it. Make them pay attention and do not shut up until they do.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

How exactly does one enforce the free exercise of their rights?

Remember that agents of the government are often armed and generally don't like being told what to do.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The people are armed as well.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Some people are, yes, but compare what happens when law enforcement agents use their arms, and what happens when regular people use their arms.

A critical part of the state is the monopoly on legitimate violence.