this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2025
1657 points (96.3% liked)
linuxmemes
23812 readers
1480 users here now
Hint: :q!
Sister communities:
Community rules (click to expand)
1. Follow the site-wide rules
- Instance-wide TOS: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
- Lemmy code of conduct: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html
2. Be civil
- Understand the difference between a joke and an insult.
- Do not harrass or attack users for any reason. This includes using blanket terms, like "every user of thing".
- Don't get baited into back-and-forth insults. We are not animals.
- Leave remarks of "peasantry" to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the thing you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.
- Bigotry will not be tolerated.
3. Post Linux-related content
- Including Unix and BSD.
- Non-Linux content is acceptable as long as it makes a reference to Linux. For example, the poorly made mockery of
sudoin Windows. - No porn. Even if you watch it on a Linux machine.
4. No recent reposts
- Everybody uses Arch btw, can't quit Vim, <loves/tolerates/hates> systemd, and wants to interject for a moment. You can stop now.
5. 🇬🇧 Language/язык/Sprache
- This is primarily an English-speaking community. 🇬🇧🇦🇺🇺🇸
- Comments written in other languages are allowed.
- The substance of a post should be comprehensible for people who only speak English.
- Titles and post bodies written in other languages will be allowed, but only as long as the above rule is observed.
6. (NEW!) Regarding public figures
We all have our opinions, and certain public figures can be divisive. Keep in mind that this is a community for memes and light-hearted fun, not for airing grievances or leveling accusations. - Keep discussions polite and free of disparagement.
- We are never in possession of all of the facts. Defamatory comments will not be tolerated.
- Discussions that get too heated will be locked and offending comments removed.
Please report posts and comments that break these rules!
Important: never execute code or follow advice that you don't understand or can't verify, especially here. The word of the day is credibility. This is a meme community -- even the most helpful comments might just be shitposts that can damage your system. Be aware, be smart, don't remove France.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I'm obviously going to be downvoted for this, but the second you ask me to use the terminal is the second the OS is not ready.
Last week I reinstalled Windows after trying MintOS. I have a 54" Ultrawide screen monitor and I wanted the windows to snap in 3 sections.
I spent a few hours in terminal trying to install something after trying everything in flatpak. Windows 11 split screens out of the box. It can even tile. You can even use hotkeys to snap left and right.
In order for normies like me to switch, you have to make the OS at as easy to use as Windows. Don't make us use terminal like I'm on DOS.
Every time I install windows I needed to use the terminal to bypass microsoft's online login requirement. Clearly Windows is not ready.
And don't get me started on the registry editor
Let's be real for a second. A normie would appreciate that there is a login that have saved their favorites and how their desktop is setup. A normie would appreciate that it remembers they are giving you localized news and weather and traffic.
A normie does not put privacy that high as a priority than you.
Trying to suggest that Linux is now ready for normies is a disservice to normies that try it and will never try it again for another 15 years.
My grandmother has been using Linux for five years now and she doesn't know what Linux or Windows are. Its just the computer.
I argue that a grandma has less needs than someone younger. My grandma uses a 10 year old LG phone that has replaceable batteries. Never complains. Makes perfect phone calls.
Ask a teen if he enjoys Fortnite or PUBG with their friends and they will say they don't know. Because their parents force Linux on them.
Have you ever had to edit the registry?
I can't find a single reason why I would need to. What am I missing?
Terminal is easier than Windows, if you don't want to use it, fine, but saying it's harder is a lie.
If you hand someone a computer and powered up terminal and ask them to install an app like Tailscale. Watch them struggle without searching a forum on how to do it.
A normie will have zero clue what is a app get. A normie won't know you have to use a dash for app-get on some operating systems vs another one.
Wow, you mean someone wont know how to do something if they've never done it before and are forbidden from looking for help? Astounding, get a research team on this.
But a single search will return dozens of results of the correct answer and then they'll know, because it isn't actually difficult and your argument is based in "I don't want to learn" dressed up as "it's too hard"
But why do I need to do a search? Why isn't it already installed and ready to go? Why must I find drivers for a hardware when I can just plug it into a Windows computer and 99% of the time it starts working?
This meme advertise that Linux is in equal footing with Windows. Yes, Linux has better privacy. But you can't deny the usability of Windows. Until Linux has the same feature set prebuilt in, Linux is going to never be ready.
A very solvable problem with window tiling managers. There's unironically thousands of them.
Linux just honestly might not be for you if a terminal is an insurmountable obstacle 🤷♀️ it's how you interact with the basics of your computer. It's worth ripping that bandaid off and getting over your fear of term imo. I honestly prefer software I can just run from the terminal.
I don't want thousands of solutions. I need 1 that works out of the box for the OS I just installed. Also, why are there thousands of tiling solutions? How do I parse through all of them to know which one to install? Out of the thousand of solutions, which one will become abandonware or already abandoned?
I don't disagree with you. I'm 100% onboard with your assessment on someone like me. A normie.
The argument here is that this meme suggests that Linux wasn't ready for normies 15 years ago and is ready now(2025). My argument is it is not. Normies do not use terminal. We want intuitive UX. We want a smart decision tree of options we can take. What we don't want is entering a script in terminal that could fail because we forgot a dash or transcribe a forward slash to a backslash.
Also, what you consider "basic" is relative. Your knowledge of computers is vastly different across the world.
I had a forum member on Reddit call me an idiot because I didn't know what sudo was. Does that make me "basic"?
I think you want KDE. I'm using KDE on vanilla EndeavourOS and it snaps windows just fine. Hotkeys work too, just slightly different (super + page up instead of up arrow to maximize).
I will admit In have not tried KDE. I have tried popOS and Ubuntu outside of MintOS. Does it snap into 3 or 4 sections? I'll give it a try if it does.
Try a different desktop environment instead of blaming all of Linux, my dude
My dude. What is a desktop environment? Do you automatically assume normies understand what that means?
This is further proof that this meme assumes that Linux wasn't ready for normies 15 years ago but is ready now.
What are models of vehicles? What are different types of skiis? Shouldn't just one book have all of human knowledge? I'm not assuming anything about Normie's or anything, just telling you to try a different DE. Linux comes with options. You might want a sports car or you might want a truck. Before you buy a vehicle you look at what you want to do and then buy the right vehicle.
I guess when I'm expecting to have at least air conditioning instead of having my pick from thousands of different air conditioning systems from GitHub hoping it hasn't been abandonware.
If I'm picking a specific system, I expect the engine to start when I turn the key, instead of a secret jiggle for it to work correctly.
Well then I suppose Windows is not ready if every update you need to run a PowerShell script to debloat and disable telemetry.
And you didn't consider to use the graphical package manager which can do the same thing?
So can I, on KDE Plasma. Admittedly, I don't know what the situation on Cinnamon is.
For non power user use-cases it is absolutely possible to use as easily as Windows.
Respectfully, please dont spread misinformation about what Linux is and is not capable of.
The mass majority of normies don't need to run PowerShell or debloat. A even bigger mass of people have no clue what telemetry is to even disable it. I think before we both disagree with each other, we should agree with one thing. Regular, non tinkerers people, normies have different needs, none of which Linux has a advantage on.
Can KDE snap to 3 screens evenly? Or4? Or 1/4, 1/2, 1/4? Because Win11 does it out of the box.
KDE Snapping left and right is nice. Windows 7 has this feature. Maybe even Win98.
I started with the GUI flatpak interface first and after those apps didn't work, I went to google/forums. At the end of the day, I still didn't accomplish a simple task Win11 has out of the box.
You saying I'm spreading misinformation implies you don't acknowledge my frustrations and grievances. This is perfectly fine if we all acknowledge that Linux is not made for regular people and memes like this is actually harmful to your community. If someone has a misconception that Linux is now equal in feature sets and usability, this user is going to not try again for another 15 years.
Speed, privacy, old hardware support, benefits from community modifications (gaming performance kernels etc).
Yes
I still dont understand what you were trying to achieve that you couldn't have done, at worst, in Synaptic package manager (a GUI program).
I don't mean to say you're doing it intentionally, just that when you state Linux can't do these things it's not exactly correct.
Speed is relative to the task. On my window's machine, I'm running a 7 year old gaming computer and never thought that my computer is super slow. Also, after installing Mint on it, the speed is barely noticeable at best.
Old hardware support? Shoot, Mint could barely get new hardware working properly. I had trouble with both my nvidia card and my logitech steering wheel working correctly. I eventually got the Nvidia card working using chatgpt. It took me a few days, but the steering wheel finally started working after reinstalling Windows.
Also, as far as gaming is concerned. You performance might see a few fps faster on Linux on some games, but if you enjoy games like Rocket League or Fortnite or many multiplayer games, it flat out doesn't work.
Good, I can check it out. Mint and PopOS and Ubuntu does not have this feature.
I'm trying to snap my windows to different ratios or tile out of the box. Mint, PopOS and Ubuntu does not have these features and I was trying to install it first from Flatpak and then in apt-get. Both failed.
What is inaccurate? That I had a hard time trying to install a very basic feature on Mint and failed? Seems pretty straight forward.
Don't get me started on installing Tailscale. While I was ultimately successful doing this in terminal, I would not want my mother in law trying to figure it out.
I was more talking about lower power computers, not gaming PCs.
This is because hardware manufacturers regularly never release the specs for their devices, so the drivers have to be reverse engineered first (or the manufacturer's proprietary drivers installed in whatever weird way they dictate). Old hardware has already had this done, so it absolutely works. New hardware is irrelevant to this.
I still don't understand what you were trying to install? You can't install features, you install programs. This is the same for all operating systems, it's not unique to Linux-based ones.
Kubuntu is the KDE spin of Ubuntu and it should work too.
That you're saying Linux can't do these things.
Why would your mother in law be installing Tailscale?