Posting here bc it’s just YouTube drama, but Hasan rightly being called out by “Small Talk Kills” (LexLoser on rednote, recently banned or deleted from TikTok)

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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't watch streamers and stuff but I generally agree with your points about Hasan's role. What'd you mean by this though?

I also would never take someone seriously about hating Bernie from the left, if they never liked Bernie at some point pre-2020.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm coming on a bit strong in my phrasing (I don't fully agree with myself there), but I have a bit of a difficult time imagining someone in the US having strong socialist convictions without having been pro-bernie in '16 or '20 or both.

I suppose it's possible, and it'll eventually become commonplace as there are many young people who never had the opportunity to see the Bernie campaigns in real time.

It just would be odd to me for someone to be like "yeah Ive thought of Bernie as a Zionist bastard since 2002" vs "yeah Bernie seemed like our best hope when he was running, but obviously that was crushed by the establishment and he refused to evolve any further, so there is no place for him in the future left at this point" or something along those lines.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Ah, yeah, that makes sense. There were a lot of people at the time that did shit on him though. I was past liberal electoral politics by 2016, but I also wasn't as young as most of his supporters anyway, so I wasn't too enthusiastic about Bernie but still did prefer a Bernie win against the rest. My friends dunked on me even for that back then. I just knew it wouldn't ultimately lead to what everyone wanted, much less anything revolutionary, he just seemed like a compromise.

Although I'm sure some people who knew about him better probably did specifically reject Bernie for being a Zionist for a long time. I just didn't pay any attention to him until 2016, I'm sure most didn't either, so it was easy to not notice his shit stances. It's an age and information thing though. I can see how Bernie would've been a magnet for radicalizing for 16-21 year olds at the time. That's essentially how we got the DSA that we have today, which isn't great but whatever.

I was always just kinda lukewarm on him.