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The World Needs American Socialism (newintermag.com)

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Youssef Bouchi writes on the importance of American socialism from his perspective as an Arab immigrant in Canada:

"Grassroots movements in the U.S. already understand this [...] Our task from the outside is to support them."

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[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

american exceptionalism: socialist edition

seriously though, how would an us-american socialist revolution (let's pretend that's possible) be better for the world than the usa crumbling completely?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US isn’t going to spontaneously crumble. People need to struggle to make it happen. And the people in the US aren’t going to magically disappear when the state crumbles. The power vacuum will be replaced by one or more new states. Everyone in the world is better off if those states are socialist ones, not capitalist.

[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it is far more likely that the us starts collapsing and tries to bring the world down with it than a socialist revolution ever happens. we need to defeat the usa, not hope that it brings about a popular democracy.

saying the world needs a "socialist america" is like saying we need a "socialist police force". it's an oxymoron

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

I will grant that “Socialist America” is not a good turn of phrase, because whatever new state(s) arise should abandon its ownership of “America,” which is two entire continents.

You seem to be assuming that these socialist states would simply continue being imperialist. But if that were true then they wouldn’t be socialist; that would be an oxymoron.

it is far more likely that the us starts collapsing and tries to bring the world down with it than a socialist revolution ever happens. we need to defeat the usa, not hope that it brings about a popular democracy.

Please do try to take down the US. We will need all the help we can get. We too have no faith that it will be taken down democratically. Probably it will be happen in a revolutionary defeatist opportunity that a crisis of war presents.

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

The article does not advocate American exceptionalism. It reflects on the influence America has globally and how social struggle within America has global impact.