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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

Can a single liberal offer a single example of how anything in the USA has improved since Biden became president?

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

(not a liberal, but) The infrastructure bill was mediocre but should lead to some improvements over the next decade or so.

They recently protected some indigenous land from uranium mining.

Ummmmmmm, anything else after the last 3 years or so?

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

improvements? Or the decay and collapse of the very walls around us will be a bit less bad?

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Hi I'm a lib

He got rid of the horses jesus-cleanse

[-] mayo@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago

If you are actually interested in that you can follow the white house blog. Liberal or not it's a good idea to keep tabs on what the government is up to and the mainstream media/social media are garbage news sources these days.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/

Politics is actually boring AF so there's a reason most of us don't know what the government is actually doing all the time.

[-] Defaced@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is good information but don't bother with hexbear trolls, they love to be assholes to anything capitalism.

[-] mayo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

Don't worry I don't try too hard! I know it's a lost cause, but I also won't let them set us up as the problem if it's easy for me to show them in the wrong.

[-] McScience@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago

Are you suggesting we just let Putin take over Europe Nazi-style or is this comment unrelated to the article?

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

The annexations in Ukraine are illegal, but Russia annexing 5 oblasts and Ukraine being locked into a status as a neutral buffer state is not exactly a Hitlerian take-over of Europe.

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its not ilegal in russia. Legality is not a real property of things its the opinion of the guy with the biggest army in the area. Thinking otherwise is brainworms

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, annexation is illegal under the UN charter, of which Russia is a signatory, and wars of aggression are criminal in and of themselves. I'll condemn the illegal annexations performed by Israel and other states, and Russia's annexations fall under the same boat.

To be even more clear, I do think that Russia would have won fair referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk and certainly Crimea. I doubt that would have been the case for the other two oblasts. Still, all of those annexations were illegal. Just because the neo-cons have flouted the UN charter in favor of the ad hoc "rules-based order" doesn't mean others should.

[-] YaaAsantewaa@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago
[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

What's your point, that Soros is a hypocrite? That was always obvious. Is he more of a zionist than the average American lib though?

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago

It's always funny seeing people post that image without the context that Palestine declared war on Israel alongside all its neighbours and attempted to push the Israeli population into the sea.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And Ukraine kept shelling civilians in Donetsk despite signing Minsk 2.

And that's not even taking into account that Israel has continued to annex new land despite it not being a war.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

The correct response to a settler colonial ethnostate being founded in your region by Britain is to try to destroy it.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Which excuses attempted genocide?

[-] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i wouldnt call it an attempt, Israel is sure as hell succeeding in killing and displacing a lot of Palestinian civilians and also running the world's largest open air prison

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ending the existence of an illegitimate country built on stolen land has nothing to do with genocide. You're doing the fascist ethnostate thing where you act like a state and its people are the same thing. States come and go, people remain, the ending of a state has nothing to do with harming people.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

The Palestinians have the stated goal of murdering the Israeli people as well as ending the Israeli state

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ending the Israeli state is not ending the people. Fuck off. 21% of the "Israeli people" are arab you fucking racist shit, but you're not including them when you say "Israeli" are you? No.

I absolutely will not apologise for calling you racist. Whether you know this fact and are saying this shit knowingly or whether you're just utterly oblivious to what the conditions are in Israel doesn't matter. Oblivious racism is still racism.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

If the Israeli state is destroyed, what happens to the Israeli people?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What the fuck do you think happens when a country ends? The people magically disappear? Jesus fucking christ.

When we communists successfully end america do you also think we're aiming to perform unlimited genocide on the population? Are you out of your mind? Am I as a UK resident communist trying to murder the population of the UK by ending the British state?

Fuck me liberals are completely politically illiterate. Please read some god damn books instead of white billionaire-owned media and reddit comment sections.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Do you really genuinely believe that the current Palestinian leadership would not perpetrate a genocide against the Israel people if they had the power and opportunity to do so?

The destruction of the state of Israel to be replaced by a fair socialist democratic order would obviously be a positive outcome, but there is no entity in Israeli, Palestine or the entire region with even the remotest hope of accomplishing that.

The Israeli government is largely a house of neoliberals and fascists, and the Palestinian governments are various flavours of theocracies and ethnocracies, some with a socialist history but they are certainly not socialist now.

liberals

How dare you

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Well Israel is an ethnostate so it doesn't deserve to exist.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Palestine is and was an ethnocracy. They're hardly any better.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Israel literally funded the far right extremist organizations because they'd rather fight them than socialist resistance. It's Israel's fault they're like that.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.

It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this

That is what I'm saying and that is what matters.

but that does not change the reality of the situation.

The reality is that Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate genociding Palestinians and it shouldn't exist.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, it shouldn't have been created, but it's here now, and the majority of people living in it were born there. We can't make it go away by wishful thinking.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Do you think dissolving Israel would require relocating everyone? Thats like saying the only way to fight white supremacy in the US is to kill or relocate all the white people.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

History has proven time and again that given the opportunity, the nation's bordering Israel in every direction (save possibly Lebanon) will try to either annex Israel or restore the entirety of it to an Arab nationalist muslim government.

Should such an event come to pass, the displacement of the entire population would be a best case scenario. The Jewish population of Syria and Jordan are both zero, and Egypt's is less than 20, down from several hundred thousand between the three in 1948.

There is no way to interpret the Hama's charter other than incitement to genocide.

The major factors preventing another Arab-Israeli war are tensions with Iran, Billions of dollars in US military aid, and the nuclear weapons likely owned by the Israeli state.

Dissolve the Israeli state, and unless you replace with something similar, and those factors will no longer stand. Compromise the territorial integry of the new state to any serious degree, including ceding the west bank to a Palestinian state, and Israel becomes militarily indefensible.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

"Israel has to do genocide or the people Israel funded might to genocide"

You know Israel could just try to be a pluralistic society that doesn't do genocide or apartheid right? But then it wouldn't really be Israel would it?

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

How exactly could Israel try to be a pluralistic society? Neither side will accept a one state solution.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Well, Israel could start funding socialist opposition who wouldn't do sectarian violence to them if apartheid ended. It worked with Hamas, it should work the other way around.

And other things that won't happen because again, Israel is a settler colonialist ethnostate bent on exterminating Palestinians.

[-] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

No amount of money is going to change attitudes that severely without some sort of forced indoctrination. It didn't work with Hamas, their attitude was there from the start, and years of Israeli and Iranian funding has only helped them remain one of the major Palestinian political organisations.

And please, Israel is an apartheid state sure, no arguments here, but the Palestinian population is one of the fasted growing in the world. They are entirely at the mercy of the Israeli state, and if the Israeli goal were to exterminate them as you say, they would have had some results in the past seventy years.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"The indigenous americans shouldn't have fought back against the settlers if they didn't want to get exterminated."

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

"international law" comes with what coercive enforcement again?

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

If russian law considers they are part of russia and the russian army is siting there russian law applies there. Thats how it works. If another army is sitting there then legality is whatever those other guys say.

Pretending otherwise is denying realty.

[-] lonke@feddit.nu 1 points 1 year ago

not exactly a Hitlerian take-over of Europe.

Only because they lack the ability. Civilian massacres like in Bucha are happening and have been happening throughout the war.

[-] mayo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know a lot about the region, but I think this gives Russia access to some large oil deposits and excellent agricultural land. It will also give them more strength in the region. I think it's worth extending the war to try and limit those gains. It's a good situation for the US.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm from Europe, this is fucking nonsense. Please can the US piss off and leave the rest of the world alone? You caused this in the first fucking place and then you act like you're on moral high ground by supporting the continuation of it with the deaths of tens of thousands of people over lines on a fucking map. It's abhorrent. Let's not get started on how the US very obviously blew up German infrastructure to cripple Europe and vassalise it. Don't pretend that any of your support is for any of our benefit thanks. You've literally ended european prosperity and fucked the continent for the next 50 years.

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago
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