Consider this: if all the people forced to vote opted to vote someone else, then the Dems would really understand why they're failing, and more, you'd have the basis for an actual third party to from.

But instead you and other dimwits keep preaching the same old 2 party rethoric who has been fucking you over for decades.

[+] TheFudd@lemmy.world -13 points 4 days ago (91 children)

The problem ~~isnt commie guy, it’s all the other brainless sheep who keep voting for the same two parties who don’t represent them~~ is definitely commie guy for not understanding that a boring and flawed neoliberal Democrat is preferable to a fascist dictatorship.

Fixed that for you.

Consider this: if all the people forced to vote opted to vote someone else, then the Dems would really understand why they’re failing, and more, you’d have the basis for an actual third party to from.

Wrong answer. That made sense under Clinton vs Bush or Obama vs Romney, not nowadays. We can "consider" your proposal when there's not a damn fascist dictator threatening to send US citizens to an El Salvadorian gulag for disagreeing with the President.

Then again, commies tend to love gulag'ing people who disagree with them, just ask Stalin... So maybe commie guy sees the gulags as a good thing?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (12 children)

a boring and flawed neoliberal Democrat is preferable to a fascist dictatorship.

Another reminder that blueMAGA don't see Palestinians as human.

threatening to send US citizens to an El Salvadorian gulag for disagreeing with the President.

Yeah, just non-citizens, as is right and proper.

[+] Schadrach -6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Another reminder that blueMAGA don’t see Palestinians as human.

Every option with any real chance of being elected supported Israel. Unfortunately your choices are essentially Dem, GOP, or one of several people who is definitely going to lose unless you can round up another 60 million or so voters to back them.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ok. Still doesn't change the fact that describing the Democrats as "boring and flawed neoliberals" despite their full throated support for genocide in support of a fascist ethnostate is only possible if you don't consider Palestinians human.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Let me say again, the FPTP voting system leads to two dominant parties, but nowhere in mathematics or law does it say the those two have to be Democrats and Republicans. We've always had the choice of a different two parties. That the Blue and Red duopoly would lead to fascism via the ratchet effect been clear for nearly 30 years.

I wouldn't claim that Democrats don't see the people of Palestine as human, exactly. They may just put it out of mind. Denial is a very potent force.

[–] Schadrach -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're not wrong. There's nothing that requires the two parties be Dems and GOP. But you're not going to overturn one or the other in a single election, and that means losing to the farthest big party from you, likely a few in a row, while that gets resolved. Especially if you try to do it top down instead of building support from local/county offices up.

Basically, if you could get enough third party support, you could either supplant one of the existing parties or force them to shift to stay competitive. The argument is that trying to do so with the office of president when doing so promotes a fast track to outright fascism is a painfully bad tactic.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 5 points 3 days ago

Same deal, you're not wrong. At the same time, it has to be done. Voting Democrat to hold off the fascists was, at best, a holding action rather than a viable, long-term strategy. A slow track to fascism, as it were, as they were going to win an election eventually. Democrats weren't going to fix the problem. For example, we voted for Biden in 2020 to hold off the fascist threat, they attacked the Capitol because they lost, and Biden did next to nothing about it. Hence, the depiction of the party as the pawl in the ratchet mechanism.

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