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You first insinuate people who bash it, don't use it, I've made it clear I did with clear examples. Now it's on to blaming the user or expecting users to invest hours and hours to troubleshoot borked installs. Breaking software isn't, and shouldn't be the norm. I've never had it with Mint or Kubuntu, and before you throw a point about it being rolling distros are more up to date, I've been using OpenSuse Tumbleweed for over a year without issue. It hasn't borked once. Failure rate on Manjaro is higher and when you dig into how they operate, there are clear reasons why.
It seems you were very lucky in your Manjaro days, and now because you somehow avoided getting run over crossing the motorway blindfolded, you think everyone's experience is like yours.
There isn't a hate bandwagon, and you don't need to defend their honour. They are not a sports team you cheer on. They are a software project, and need to improve. You defending poor work just enables it.
The fact you raised points, they were disputed and you moved on to separate points to fit in with the theme of "Manjaro good", you're coming across as a Manjaro shill.
You do realize that you're basically saying your anecdotal experience is better than mine right? So you're basically doing the same thing you're accusing me of, thinking that everyone's experience is like yours. All I asked was whether you actually figured out what the root cause was. From your vague response, I can only surmise you didn't do the least amount of debugging and decided to blame Manjaro just because. All the other distros you tested on weren't even Arch-based, so you don't even have a solid understanding of whether it was actually Manjaro or an Arch issue.
Seriously? I am not even using Manjaro anymore as per my post. Just because I am not blindly following the crowd and jumping on hate bandwagons whenever I see one doesn't make me a shill. Calm yourself.
You suggest it us a bandwagon because many don't like Manjaro and multiple people raised issues. You're guilty of using your anecdotal evidence to rule out the anecdotal evidence of many.
I don't know the exact cause of my issue, I want to use my PC to do actual work. I did some research, reverted through time machine andd tried again in a slightly different way to rule out graphics card driver. It still failed. I want reliability and don't want to become an expert sysadmin. I specifically don't use Arch, or Gentoo for this reason. I dont have to be a chef to enjoy food. Manjaro claims to do more testing. The issues I faced on PinePhone did not happen on the arch version, it was specific to Manjaro. Kubuntu just worked and never broke after. Mint had been working for years. Manjaro is the only distro I have faced issues with. Maybe it was Arch, maybe it was Manjaro. It is irrelevant. I don't use either. Manjaro's reputation is well earnt and non of your shilling us going to counteract the catalog of failures that are widely documented and hard to ignore.
This is fine and your prerogative.
And this is the problem I had with your original comment. You don't actually know what the root cause is and yet you're ready to apply blame to Manjaro with absolute certainty. This is why I say you're just jumping on the bandwagon. Many of the other "reports" that you mention are in a similar vein. It all boils down to "well something broke, I don't know what, and therefore I blame Manjaro".
Do you know how many people use Ubuntu and had something break for them? Their forums are littered with these posts as well. I personally have had Ubuntu absolutely shit the bed during system updates, but you don't see me going around declaring Ubuntu is shit and for good reason! I don't actually know what caused it! It could have been something specific in my setup. I know that Ubuntu works well for many other people. Likewise, there are many people, myself included, who've used Manjaro before and it worked fine for them.
All I am saying is don't be so quick to judge. All you have is 2 random breakages that you haven't properly root-caused and what you claim to be a bunch of random hearsay from others, and yet you're ready to throw your anecdotal experience into the ring as complete fact.