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SocDems want reform, not revolution and this is an irreconcilable split. SocDems are politically incentivized to betray leftist movements and they have repeatedly done so.
Examples: SDP killing the Sparticists, George Orwell ratting leftists put to the government, Bernie's votes on foreign policy, Norway choosing NATO over the WP
What's the WP?
Also I did know about cases of socdems betraying communists, but I didn't understand exactly how it's exactly moderate fascism, is it less about ideological agreement and more about the socdems' actions benefiting the fash?
Warsaw Pact, if I had to guess
It's more that socdems advocate for a "reformed"/"modified"/"controlled" capitalism, which is still capitalism, and fascism (as Stalin defined it) is a reaction by capital to the revolutionary left. Therefore, by maintaining capitalism, they maintain fascism.
Because socdems work with fascist to archive it. Like Noske most famously. If you send Police/literally proto nazis to gun down workers, is really important that you yap about how there is tots going to be harm reduction!! socdem parties of modern Europe also participated in colonial crimes, hell most of europe right now has social democratic parties in government or had recently and look at what that has done.
Bernie is such a good example. Him running for president basically introduced me to leftism but now when he says things half the time I’m just like “yo fuck this guy actually”
He’s good a majority of the time then you realize his foreign policy basically lines up with the rest of the state apparatus.
I had another comment in this thread that's related to this topic maybe other people can help me out with.
The two examples most people use are Bolsheviks in 1917 (Ukraine specifically) and in the Spanish Civil War. This is another irreconcilable split (Marx literally kicked Anarchists from the first international). Anarchists fundamentally believe the revolution must destroy all hierarchy while ML's believe the vanguard party must lead a temporary state as it transitions to communism. This means that in a revolutionary state anarchists will begin to agitate for it's destruction, which a Vanguard party will take as a threat.