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Finland to criminalise Holocaust denial (yle.fi)

submitted 2 weeks ago by Merlu@lemmy.ml to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world

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Let's say better late than never.

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (22 children)

Good, but add Armenian and Gaza genocide denial to the list too. Or make it genocide denial in general.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 8 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Armenian and Gaza is fully confirmed, but human rights violations of Xinjiang not so much, it's semantics at that much, like calling the modern Turkish state genocidal for destroying the culture of Kurds in northern Syria, when it was not explicitly to destroy the people itself

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Its forced assimulation just like what the US did to the natives of America. If what the US did was genocide (it is), then what PRC is doing to Xinjiang and Tibet is also genocide.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

No, "cultural genocide" is not genocide. There is a pretty clear legal definition:

.. any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Culture is a part of ethnicity, however.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's pretty hilarious how tankies suddenly start quibbling over definitions once China is mentioned.

Where's that definition from?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".[2]During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention, powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6]almost all international bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to the Genocide Convention.[7]

From that wiki page, and I appreciate the just barely academically masked sass about why it’s such a narrow definition

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