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Not for me. The media does an excellent job of ignoring or hyperfocusing on whatever it takes to support their narrative.
When Kiev sent military jets to bomb civilians in Donetsk in 2014, did it make headlines in the US? I don't remember hearing a thing.
The CIA can also do a false flag (e.g. Gulf of Tonkin) whenever it pleases, and compliant media would make it the biggest story of the decade. They've been priming the public for years with fake news about Russian covert ops, like Putin trying to hack the energy grid in the US.
Nordstream as an example for your latter point.
I think we'd be seeing a situation similar to the collapsing support for Israel, where despite media manipulation there's been a reversal against Israel and its only getting worse for them. The masses have turned against them and already several European countries have ended arms trade with Israel because the restive masses continue direct actions against the arms supply chain.
A different world where people were as critical of Ukraine as they have become of Israel would be catastrophic to the empire.
Maybe I'm giving the Europeans too much credit.
Israel is on a whole other level.
Yeah, you have a point. Maybe Europeans would have supported Ukraine even if they attacked first, just because they wouldn't have deployed Israeli-level depravity. Israel might just represent the limits of media's ability to manufacture consent.