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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You do you. Though the platform was never ‘less genocide’ the platform was ‘an unwavering support of our ally in Israel’. It was an assumption that trump would be more genocidal, due to his inherent evil. But as far as i can see, trump so far has not escalated that situation any faster than the previous trajectory.

Seems to me that getting the democrats under control, and answering to progressive voters is the better long term play. Maybe they would actually then run on a no genocide platform. You can’t say ’don’t let perfect be the enemy of good’ when we are not even at neutral yet let alone good.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I fail to see how a slap dash ‘AI’ self-fellating video showing something that will never happen and was an attempt at republicans propaganda to its own base changes the needle on the outcome of the genocide in Gaza. What ever fantasies trump or Biden or Harris has over Gaza is irrelevant. The genocide continues unabated, and there is no indication that things would have been any different. Unfortunately for you, one doesn't have to be a troll to point out deficiencies in the Democratic Party. They lost twice to trump for god sake, and they do nothing to defend those he attacks right now. The democrats must change in order to stop the republicans

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mass disappearing immigrants and putting them in overseas concentration camps is more genocide than the democrats did.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is not a genocide. I mean its evil and we should not stand for it. But lets not be hyperbolic over the term genocide. When we are talking about the genocide in Gaza, we are not being hyperbolic.

When looking over more then just the situation in Gaza, trump is undoubtedly worse then Biden. The issue is that choosing the lesser of two evils has brought us to this point, the only way to pass progressive policies is to use the leverage voters have to force democrats to comply. That means if democrats refuse to accept progressive terms, that republicans will consolidate power, and that would be bad. However, in such a scenario, ours and democrat loss would have been guaranteed regardless of a vocal call to task. The only power the progressive voter has is to leverage their vote against the threat the republicans face, and if you capitulate, then best case scenario is the can gets kicked down the road and the democrats become more right wing.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/world/ch12.htm

One year after Hitler, Stalin and Otto Bauer were still hoping to come to terms with Fascism. Being what they were it is clear that before they had had actual experience of Hitler, the idea of the German workers fighting Fascism would not have crossed their minds. “After Hitler, our turn,” is the concentrated expression of bureaucratic inertia, cowardice, ignorance and short-sightedness, Stalin could not say openly what he meant. He had to dress it up in revolutionary words, to promise the deluded German workers that the revolution would come after Hitler had come to power.

We already tried accelerationism in the 1920s, genius.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s ironic that you accuse me of accelerationism, while you argue for a vote blue no matter who. Do you even know what accelerationism means? I do not advocate for democrats to lose the election, i advocate in having my votes be conditional to the furtherance of interests. The Democratic Party is the agent here, they are the ones who use accelerationist policy in an attempt get people to vote against their best interests, vote blue no matter who has always been a demand to silence progressive voices to meet right wing ‘centrist’ ‘half way’. My stance literally opposes democrat parties current accelerationism.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you even know what accelerationism means?

Not in opposite land. Have fun voting no preference on genocide, enabler.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A democrat president was literally enabling genocide! What the fuck are you talking about?!

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You didn't vote one way or the other. You voted no preference. You told the government you don't have an opinion on how much genocide you want.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Again you make assumptions about me you have no right to. I voted Harris under great duress. At the time i figured that the harm would get worse under her but maybe there would be enough time to get democrats in line.

It was not the loss of the election that had me see different. It was what the democrats did afterward that has shown me exactly what needs to be done.

Harm mitigation only works as a concept with a plan to stop the harm, or if there is no other choice. And that is not the case. You and yours said that the election was not the time to deal with the reckoning the Democratic Party earned? Turns out that time has passed. The next best time is right now.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying you want to pressure the democrats into being a good party by making them lose, because you saw what a bad party they were when they lost?

5/7 perfect plan

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats don’t need my help losing—they’re perfectly capable of doing that by ignoring their base and enabling atrocities on their own. And let’s be clear: the goal isn’t to make them lose. The goal is to force actual progressive change, something your “vote blue no matter who” mantra has consistently failed to deliver.

You can’t have it both ways. You don’t get to blame progressive voters for genocide enabled by Democrats while simultaneously insisting those voters are powerless and should shut up. Either our votes matter—and we deserve to make demands—or they don’t, and your argument falls apart.

What your position really defends is endless compromise, endless capitulation, and a party that knows it can take progressive votes for granted while continuing to slide right. You’re not opposing accelerationism—you’re endorsing it, just with a blue sticker slapped on it.

So let’s stop pretending you care about progressive ideals. If you did, you wouldn’t be spending this much time trying to silence the only people still fighting for them.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If you took a 9mm and shot yourself in the head right now, that would matter. You would be dead.

And it wouldn't make the Democrats into leftists. You would not be fighting for progressivism. Sure, your actions would matter. They'd just suck. You'd accomplish exactly the same amount with that action as you would from not voting. Nothing good, plenty bad.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Your response is grotesque meant to shock or shame, and you come off as unhinged. But i notice you refuse to answer my challenge nor my points, but you did successfully cede ground to me. You tacitly admit that the Democratic Party has no interest in progressive values and thus validating our disillusionment. Your call to vote blue no matter who is the direct reason for the loss of the progressive vote, yet you offer no solution to the rightward slide and double down on enabling the status quo. You would rather live in the comfortable present than fight for the future. How is that any better than the republicans?

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

There's this thing you should know about that's way better than shooting yourself in the head. It's called a communist revolution. Put the useless morons in charge so the revolution is easy.

Or shoot yourself in the head and hope it makes AOC win the primary. I dunno I'm not the boss of you. I can't stop you from shooting yourself in the head if you think it's better than voting Democrat.