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I'm starting to empathize with Texas trying to leave the Union. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by pebbles@sh.itjust.works to c/casualconversation@lemm.ee

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I never really understood, but now that that house bill passed that may end up blocking AI regulation from individual States. I get it. I don't like knowing that even if everyone in my state wanted to stop companies from using AI for hiring decisions, we couldn't.

Texans, I feel you.

Edit: I'm learning a lot about Texas in this thread. Thanks for all the context folks.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 64 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

ha its not the implementation of a fascist police state, its 'ai' that did it for ya?!

oook

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I kind of doubt an independent Texas would be any less of a fascist police state.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 weeks ago

oh, i agree wholeheartedly.. thats where the current federal administration is getting a lot of their terrible ideas.

i think what op is referring to is a general 'but my states rights' even though the original idea was 'i want my state to have the right to be an absolutely racist piece of shit'.

[–] dunidane 13 points 3 weeks ago

They are certianly trying to beat the rest of the States to 1862 levels of fascism.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Texas has been a fascist state practically since its inception.

A big part of the "Texit" movement finds its legs as soon as the presidency changes to an insufficiently fascist bureaucrat.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, there is kind of an overlap between these.

[+] pebbles@sh.itjust.works -6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That scares the hell out of me too.

I just happened to read about the bill and had a thought and posted it.

~~I guess I'll work on considering you and being more of a perfectionist. Lemmy needs that. There's too much content as there is. /s~~

Edit: okay I get I was poking back pretty hard. Definitely a bit of a lash out. Sorry.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

People on the internet are prone to criticize, it's okay to have gained an appreciation for the idea of states rights vs federalism from a slightly lower impact or more niche issue rather than one of the huge ones.

Its always a tradeoff both ways. The more rights the states have independent from the federal government, the harder it can be to get everyone on the same page about doing good things, but it's also a lot easier to independently build good things when the trend nationally is garbage.

The question is what compromise feels right to you, and personally I can respect and empathize with a number of positions on the topic. There's a reason the framers (fallible as they were) debated this architectural question so much- it really changes the shape of what exactly the federal government is.

[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really appreciate your tone. A lot of folks are (reasonably) offended with the framing.

I'm curious how those debates went. I see the utility of the union, but we've definitely also seen the tyranny of it. You definitely wouldn't get the states to become the union if they were all split right now.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you, I'm really glad ☺️

And to be entirely honest, from my not-so-informed perspective it kinda feels like the north winning the civil war really entrenched a stronger version of federalism than we might have had otherwise, had the civil war just not been a thing. But it almost feels like that reforged USAs national and political identity around more centralization, with those wishing to splinter off having been quashed by those who wished for unification.

No idea if that's at all accurate, but it feels like the way federalism has been portrayed to me as an early debate in US history is weaker than the version we see post-civil-war. Certainly weaker than the version we have today but I don't think anyone would debate that lol.

Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud, I hope you have a lovely day :)