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Yea, but provoking violence to what end?
People aren't doing it just to get beat up. It's about making a fascist regime look as bad as they are. Which looks worse? A country blatantly attacking its own citizens flying its own flag? Or a country attacking illegal immigrants flying a flag of a foreign country we've kinda' had a war with in the past?
One of these has much more powerful imagery, especially for the dumdums who do not understand cultural pride in other cultures, like most Americans.
This is exactly it. There is a literal fight that the protests represent, that some commenters here (no offense intended, we're all on the same side) can't see past; and there is a symbolic fight.
The symbolic fight defines how we think of ourselves - which I do think is important, that we are the true voice of the American project - but also how the rest of the country views Trump's illegal use of military troops. The Mexican flag does not help either symbolic goal. It's counterproductive.
Those people are legal nonresidents you dipshit. They are protesting against the deportation of legally present foreign nationals. That's the entire fucking point of the protest. What you're calling 'bad-optics' is just flat out racist jingoism. There's nothing wrong or illegal about flying another country's flag, except through the racist logic of mass deportation. There isn't anything wrong with protesting as a legal non-resident against your own targeted deportation.
Libs are afraid of Trump taking power under the delusion of some foreign invasion, and their genius strategy to stop him is to hide away anyone who gives latin-american vibes? Put away all the cultural and national symbolism so that we can say 'look, there's no invasion, there aren't any latin-american immigrants here'? This is like people advocating for trans rights by arguing that it's extremely rare to be trans. Ok, yea maybe that's true, but it's not a problem to be trans anyway, why does it matter at all if there are a lot of them or not? And if someone was running around scaremongering about marxists transing the youth, wouldn't it then suddenly be a problem for libs if trans people were loudly and proudly displaying their identities?
Jesus christ, we are so fucking cooked. If this many liberals are totally bought in to this 'bad protest optics' shit, they will 100% be collaborating with the fascists.
Yes, I accounted for that, you ignorant fool... Try using reading comprehension this time:
Do you think Fox News is going to clarify that some brown guy waving a Mexican flag is actually a legal temp worker, or even US citizen? You seem to be completely and utterly ignorant as to how propaganda works...
Most people are idiots that will not pick through the BS. THAT is why you must avoid bad optics, because the VAST majority of people who don't ALREADY agree with you will use every assumption given to them to continue disagreeing with you.
Are they wrong? Yes. Do they think they are wrong? Hell no! Only a fool like you would continue to feed their assinine assumptions.
You don't combat racism by whitewashing your protests.
Who said whitewashing was what I was asking for? I only mentioned the Mexican flag. Your understanding of optics seems to be rather jouvenile and black and white...
You're saying protestors shouldn't use Mexican symbols in their protest because it will be used as reactionary fodder for fascists. That's the definition of whitewashing.
Nope. Nowhere did I say they shouldn't use ANY Mexican symbol.
What I did say, is it would be much more powerful imagery to convince conservatives it's wrong, if the cops are seen cracking down on someone waving a US flag.
Please, PLEASE stop being a reactionary and understand how messaging and subtext works.
My point is that the protestors are there specifically to protest against the forced deportation of legally present non residents under racist, jingoist pretexts. Those people aren't illegal, but they're being deported because of their foreign status (particularly mexican and hispanic foreign nations). Flying the mexican flag (especially next to american national symbols) is meant to assert their right to be here, and that the community of LA stands with them for their right.
You're suggesting that they instead waive american flags so that it looks like trump is abusing US citizens with the National Guard, when the whole point of the protest was to resist the forceful deportation of immigrants. If they were to 'make it look like they're US citizens' then that would defeat the purpose of that demonstration.
Liberals (idgaf if that's you or not) want to make this about Trump's militarized crackdown on protests because that's what materially affects them, ignoring the reason we're in the streets protesting in the first place.
lmao, that's not what reactionary means. Just fuck off already.