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The federation drama really drives home the fact that liberals despise anyone and everyone with better politics than themselves. They want a monopoly on "being good" and being shown up enrages them. (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 year ago by KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right "conservatives": the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.

Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.

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[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah it's a bad argument here when applied to libs and it's a bad argument then as well. This notion that they're mad at us because secretly know we're right is pure self-aggrandizing puffery.

[-] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ya, it seems much more likely that federated "libs" despise OP/us because OP is/ we are incredibly rude to them, and in OP's case, have a really uncharitable psychological theory about how they are secretly mad at us, rather than just concluding that such libs simply have different (and wrong) appraisals of facts and values.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I've always thought that the dirtbag left should be incredibly tactical about it's dirtbagness. The fact that we didn't entirely remove incivility from our toolbox was fantastic and certainly set us apart and up for a rollicking good time, but it did become a bit one note.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk rip www.reddit.com/r/TweeLeft

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I'm generally on the same page, but then I look at how other instances are treating Lemmygrad, how reddit snuffs out even the most respectful leftist comments, how cops respond to peaceful protests, etc.

The buttoned up approach has value, but so does what we're doing.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, the real power in the dirtbag approach was it refused to give deference to mores of politeness that those in power insisted were due to them (despite being entirely unearned and used to run interference for absolutely abhorrent decision-making).

I don't see it nearly as useful when applied to randos online though.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It can definitely backfire. But it's impossible to know what online randos will respond to (people change their minds in different ways) and some folks do respond to having their bullshit called what it is.

Also important to remember the lurkers, who vastly outnumber us humble posters, and who are not going to be as turned off by hostility as the person on the receiving end of it -- especially when right next to the hostility you have someone making a more conventional argument.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the actually more salient issue is that, we're openly having fun clowning on these morons. Lurkers see us having an absolute ball and opt to join in. Recall that you can point to the origin of this online subcurrent as a mishmash of SomethingAwful and largely apolitical 'weird twitter'.