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I've had that conversation. They don't believe me when I say that's socialism. I show them as much evidence as possible and the best case, they believe me in time but start going off about Stalin and Mao, worst case they try to say I'm lying about what socialism is.
I've had them state "I've read marx I know what socialism is" and shut down when I argue Marx was a communist, not a socialist. They cannot believe there's a difference.
People just cannot grasp this concept.
They are delusional and willingly so. Through constant propaganda from a very, very young age they are structurally unallignable with anything against their training. No, you can't convince them with "facts and logic" no you can't just state "yeah and all that's socialism" and have them flip a switch to become a socialist.
They'll agree with each point you make they'll agree with each policy they'll support drastic change but the second you say that word or use the wrong language their pavlovian response kicks in and it's
Starvation famine vommunism Mao Zedong sharia law Muslim did you know the Nazis were socialists Karl Marx Cuba venezualla death cult can never work has never worked killed the Jewish doctors Lenin Stalin they killed the Tsars kids Russia China gays will be killed you know call of duty modern warfare 2
I didn't say you should try or expect to convince them of anything. Just pointing out the error is enough to let anyone curious enough follow up for themselves. I say that about this post because the person seems to have a genuine intuition about the vague idea of collective ownership.
You can't expect to convince someone in a single argument.
For myself, when I was still in a liberal mindset, I had someone on reddit say "down with democracy!", and I called them a fascist, because that sounded pretty fashy to me and it was during trump term 1 when those guys were really stretching their assholes and letting the shit flow.
They said actually no, they were a communist, so I just dropped it. I could tell they were being sincere but also I didn't really want to take the time to unpack their point.
It did flip a switch for me though, that someone was openly declaring to be a communist. It was definitely part of my walk away from vaguely status quo liberalism towards full anarcho communism.
I still think the way they said "down with democracy!" was bad rhetoric, and I understand they probably meant "down with liberal democracy", or maybe "down with representative democracy", or maybe they were some sort of weird nazbol and they really did think democracy as a concept was bad. Doesn't matter, it moved the needle for me.
Anyway, point being a sincere answer whether it's exaclty right or even very well articulated or correct, is usually better than making up some bullshit in some misguided machiavelian manipulation.