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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.
Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.
Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........
Biden's "green" Infrastructure Plan is increasing carbon emissions though.
Green energy and infrastructure are two separate things. That you have to hammer them together to make a bad faith argument is telling.
Could. Potentially. And if you read how they did their figuring yeah it's no surprise they keep inserting words like "could". Then certain people read it and think that means "is".
But in any case green energy and infrastructure are two separate things.
And back to this post, what's Trump doing? Line item is Zero.
I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.
I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.
The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.
I agree at this point they need to storm the white house, jail everyone, burn down the white house and constitution and start over.
I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.
And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.
I think you might have misread my initial comment in that I didn't say, and don't agree with branding Biden as the "foundations of facism".
I'm not saying Biden, Obama, Bush etc are some kind of proto-facists like that implies. I said "the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state". I think unless you disagree with me calling Trump's government facist, that the previous governments created an environment in which he could rise to power seems more or less a statement of fact.
If you're interested in understanding where I'm coming from (who knows, we're on the internet after all!) I'd say I mostly agree with Naomi Klein's take that global politics have become too subservient to mega-corportations and that that's creating a decline in equality which is driving far right ideology worldwide.[0]
I'm pretty far into stuff that I wasn't initially trying to comment on though. My point is that the US political system is broken, and blaming people who are disenfranchised at that isn't an effective strategy for changing things.
[0] https://www.noisnotenough.org/
There's nothing to read or even misread because you are doing mental gymnastics. It's nonsense.
I mean you literally used quotation marks to write words I didn't say, but fine. I assume from your comments that you're progressive and anti-Trump, so keep on pushing for those values!