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Patriotism is great because patriotism is about loving what a country stands for.
America no longer stands for freedom and justice for all. But anyone who loved those ideas before can still stand for them now.
So if I read your comment correctly, everybody MAGA person is a real US partiot because your country stands for a corrupt, racist and predatory kleptocracy now. They sure love that.
You read the comment incorrectly. MAGAts are christo-fascist nationalists of course.
Sure. But christo-fascist nationalism is what the US stands for, now. This "freedom and justice for all" thing was always a myth. Now that the thin layer of decency that held everything more or less together is gone, fascism is the new normal and the MAGA shitstains are the true American patriots. I mean, they sure love that. And wjat else is patriotism?
No, now the US is a white nationalist, christo-fascist, techno-fedualist dictatorship. The US doesn't stand for anything. The US is now a tool for the wealthy to enrich themselves at our expense in a capacity we haven't seen since monopolies were busted.
This argument is ahistorical. The US extended rights to people of color and women.
The fascists are still fascists. All they do is hate. They don't love this country. The nation state is only ever a vehicle to terrorize, subjugate, and kill people.
This "freedom and justice for all is a myth" argument is the same as every other "America was never a democracy" argument. This argument is made by people who do not value freedom and justice for all or democracy. America's failings are a justification to destroy the country that has personally wronged them. They feel they've been morally tainted by association with the US and their only recourse is to burn a country of 340 million people to the ground to somehow redeem themselves. Not even to make something better and in some cases instead the goal is to end up in a red fascist dictatorship.
Nothing is good enough for them, no amount of social progress matters. Like in this case where, as usual, the argument pretends social movements didn't happen. People make these arguments because they've personally been made to feel morally uncomfortable. So everyone can die as far as they care.
Don't let people get away with this. The fascists took our democracy and freedoms away. The people who pretend those weren't real don't want us to have them either.
This user's argument is more of the same accelerationism that was rampant before, during, and after the 2024 election. Accelerationism benefits the fascists and thus is not anti-fascism. Part of the way we fight back against fascists is telling the truth. edit: typo
Are you kidding me?
Then:
What is it now?
Apart from that, you are projecting a bit much here. My point is not that you shouldn't take a stand against the fascist. On the contrary. But then do it right.
Don't be like them and run around with that patriotism bullshit. Don't pretend that your country was so great and free and fair and all. It never was. The rich always made themselves richer. Sexism, racism and classism where always a thing there. It got better, because the people stood up took their rights against push back, against violence and murder. But even in it's best days, the US was far away from equality.
Fight for equality, for fairness, for freedom and all that, but stop twisting that into what you want to make other people believe is some core value of your country and the only real patriotic thing or some shit.
Read what I wrote. The US used to stand for freedom and justice for all and the US no longer does.
Your argument is beat for beat the same argument so it's not projection.
Your argument agrees with the fascists in that "America was never a democracy". The fascists just take it further and say we were always a white christian nation. Stop running around with the accelerationist bullshit.
So your argument concedes it is the same accelerationist argument. Your argument even clarifies it's wrong at the same time. Cool.
I am going to keep refuting accelerationist arguments. You can try to bullshit in your argument all you want.
Fascism will fail. Accelerationism will fail. People are going to keep telling the truth.