ToastedPlanet

joined 2 years ago

The acceleration stops when we stop letting things get worse. Things only get better when we learn from our mistakes and use that knowledge to make things better. We have to educate people. Part of that means accepting not voting for Harris was a mistake in 2024. Which if you don't have a problem with then there's not much to discuss there. It was other people in the comment section who were still needing that pointed out.

We're more than likely going to end up in a similar scenario, with an incrementally better neoliberal, in 2028 if we even get an election. And that's if Gavin Newsom doesn't end up being the candidate. I'm starting to think he's going to go full "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and just run on being more fascist than the Rebuplicans. Regardless, we need socialists and progressives to co-opt the Democrat party from the current establishment, neoliberal Democrats and then win every election we can. That becomes harder to do the longer we're stuck in a christo-fascist dictatorship. Not to mention the damage to the planet and vulnerable communities all over the world in the meantime.

We need to support candidates like Mamdani. And not allow fascists to win when the choice is between them and a neoliberal. That's how we reduce the most harm in the short run and set the stage to have a socialist political revolution in the long run.

This has gotten me thinking how problematic a Newsom v DeSantis race could be in 2028. =(

I'm arguing that accelerationism is a self-destructive ideology. Democrats are going to keep chasing the neocon conservatives who vote over the leftists who don't vote. The way we win is getting more candidates like Mamdani in positions of power, including the presidency. But we're still going to need to neoliberal candidates in order to have majorities in Congress and state legislatures. There aren't going to be enough socialist candidates in the short term. Hopefully there will be quite a few progressives though.

Did you see the way Walz alienated the indigenous voters? I’m deeply curious about what response you get from Palestinian-Americans grieving their families. To absolve Democrats of their inability to message coherently when we need it most? Is simply unacceptable.

Also, I'm not Tim Walz. But he was liked by indigenous voters.

https://azmirror.com/2024/10/10/we-cant-go-back-tribal-leaders-welcome-vice-presidential-candidate-tim-walz-to-arizona/

Walz also had better takes on Gaza than Biden.

https://apnews.com/article/walz-israel-hamas-gaza-harris-election-emhoff-biden-netanyahu-hersh-muslim-fd797e42ad3c919026c5341ae4297500

I don't control the Democratic party.

Your argument is inherently accelerationist. Everyone needs to know how self-destructive it is.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture

I hadn't heard of this. It seems cool. =D

What is it now?

Read what I wrote. The US used to stand for freedom and justice for all and the US no longer does.

Apart from that, you are projecting a bit much here.

Your argument is beat for beat the same argument so it's not projection.

Don’t be like them and run around with that patriotism bullshit.

Your argument agrees with the fascists in that "America was never a democracy". The fascists just take it further and say we were always a white christian nation. Stop running around with the accelerationist bullshit.

Don’t pretend that your country was so great and free and fair and all. It never was.

It got better, because the people stood up took their rights against push back, against violence and murder.

So your argument concedes it is the same accelerationist argument. Your argument even clarifies it's wrong at the same time. Cool.

but stop twisting that into what you want to make other people believe is some core value of your country and the only real patriotic thing or some shit.

I am going to keep refuting accelerationist arguments. You can try to bullshit in your argument all you want.

Fascism will fail. Accelerationism will fail. People are going to keep telling the truth.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No, now the US is a white nationalist, christo-fascist, techno-fedualist dictatorship. The US doesn't stand for anything. The US is now a tool for the wealthy to enrich themselves at our expense in a capacity we haven't seen since monopolies were busted.

This “freedom and justice for all” thing was always a myth.

This argument is ahistorical. The US extended rights to people of color and women.

the MAGA shitstains are the true American patriots

The fascists are still fascists. All they do is hate. They don't love this country. The nation state is only ever a vehicle to terrorize, subjugate, and kill people.

This "freedom and justice for all is a myth" argument is the same as every other "America was never a democracy" argument. This argument is made by people who do not value freedom and justice for all or democracy. America's failings are a justification to destroy the country that has personally wronged them. They feel they've been morally tainted by association with the US and their only recourse is to burn a country of 340 million people to the ground to somehow redeem themselves. Not even to make something better and in some cases instead the goal is to end up in a red fascist dictatorship.

Nothing is good enough for them, no amount of social progress matters. Like in this case where, as usual, the argument pretends social movements didn't happen. People make these arguments because they've personally been made to feel morally uncomfortable. So everyone can die as far as they care.

Don't let people get away with this. The fascists took our democracy and freedoms away. The people who pretend those weren't real don't want us to have them either.

This user's argument is more of the same accelerationism that was rampant before, during, and after the 2024 election. Accelerationism benefits the fascists and thus is not anti-fascism. Part of the way we fight back against fascists is telling the truth. edit: typo

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mamdani is a socialist like myself. He's using the Democrat party because it's the most useful tool available to him. But he's not a neoliberal Democrat.

I'm a registered independent. I'm not this neoliberal you've concocted to debate with. I know Mamdani's got a lock on the Mayoral race as the Democratic nominee. And I don't gatekeep who is in the Democratic Party.

Lol, your argument is to refuse to vote for anyone who isn't as far left as Mamdani. You're not arguing to think globally or act locally. You're larping on the internet.

What if I told you that any genuinely Left Irish Republicanism, even from the Irish Diaspora, requires calling for a Free Palestine? We have arrived at that same human collective conclusion while allowing for Pride in our own identity to participate in cementing that.

But you'll argue against voting for candidates who aren't fascists in future election. Even if that means the fascists will continue to genocide the people you pretend to care about. No thanks.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm going to keep arguing against accelerationism.

This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

Accelerationist ideas need to be challenged and refuted wherever they show up.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I support Mamdani. I'm going to vote for the furthest left, viable candidates that I can. In most cases, in the short term, that's going to be neoliberals. Hopefully all the candidates will be socialist eventually.

Your argument is fully committed to owning this neoliberal that you've invented. I don't care about what other people think about me. I'm way to close to the chopping block to care. So I definitely don't care about your views on this other person you're pretending to have an argument with.

But you're argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I'll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they'll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Nah, your argument is that you're a cool edge lord who rejects any association with other people if it means risking your purity.

The whole point of rejecting a national identity is to form a broader human identity. But instead of that people seem to take leftism as another kind of American libertarian individualism were the goal is to reject being apart of anything bigger than yourself.

Believing in shared ideals like freedom and justice for all means rejecting a state when it abandons those ideals.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A neoliberal Israeli online newspaper is of course going to spin the neoliberal Democrat in a positive light. So what?

It doesn't change the fact that Kamala Harris was the right choice in 2024. Or that your argument is based on talking points from a Russian bot farm.

 

Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets of Budapest in defiance of the Hungarian government’s ban on Pride, heeding a call by the city’s mayor to “come calmly and boldly to stand together for freedom, dignity and equal rights”.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/28150055

[Alt-text] Pikachu Ezra Klein asks Slow King Schumer to "Incrementally improve society by deregulate housing."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'll ask the boss."

Spoink Bill Ackman says, "I'll pay you a million dollars to never do that."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'm so aroused."

Slow King Schumer says, "No."

Pikachu Ezra Klein has a surprised pikachu face.

 

[Alt-text] Pikachu Ezra Klein asks Slow King Schumer to "Incrementally improve society by deregulate housing."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'll ask the boss."

Spoink Bill Ackman says, "I'll pay you a million dollars to never do that."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'm so aroused."

Slow King Schumer says, "No."

Pikachu Ezra Klein has a surprised pikachu face.

 

[Alt-Text] Batman, an animated bat, and Robin, a robin, are in a room with an infinity gears machine. The Riddler is behind a locked door on an intercom.

Riddle me this Batman! The door to my room will only open if the last gear fully rotates, but you can only turn the first gear! How long will you be standing there? HAHAHAHA!

Holy sociological metaphor Batman! If you tired to fully turn the last gear by only incrementally turning the first gear, you would be standing there for 346 quintillion years! The Earth's orbit will decay before we catch the Riddler at this rate!

Batman picks up the infinity gears and then flips it over. This opens the locked door and reveals a surprised Riddler, who is a Tommy gun.

 

Last time the alt-text I wrote didn't seem to work. So I'm going to put it in the body as well.

[Alt-Text] A cyclops considers his predicament. "This dungeon is known for plucking out an eye as part of a hazing ritual. I'll conspire to replace the current boss! That'll fix it!"

Spongebob Squarepants style time skip. "One adventuring party later..."

A cyclops wearing an eyepatch considers his predicament. "So an organization's culture can persist across multiple leaders... Systemic change will fix it!"

 

If you are consuming this meme then you are living during history.

 

We've reached the second iteration. There isn't a lot separating us from the third iteration. And the material conditions were bad enough, at the latest, sometime between the first and the second iterations.

People know socialism exists. People are experiencing sufficiently bad material conditions that they want change.

People have picked up neoliberal ideas from living in a neoliberal society. These ideas give people a framework to process their material conditions so that they do not rise up in sufficient numbers. People need to learn that these ideas are part of an ideology designed to enrich the owner class at the expense of the worker class. Things will continue to get worse unless people understand that everyone needs to own their work.

This education is work that still needs to be done after hypothetically defeating the current fascist dictatorships and is probably part of what will be needed to defeat them.

I keep having this conversation with people and seeing the accelerationist line of reasoning, so I wanted to address it with a visual.

 

I'm not sure how pervasive this is, but Maeve@kbin.earth's comments don't seem to have federated. I can only see 24 of them from 9 months ago, but when I go to kbin.earth I can see the user has over 3000.

I'm definitely not a federation expert, so there may be a good reason for this. I wanted to point it out in case it was part of a larger issue.

 

I see this idea everywhere, that people who fall for fascism or MAGA must not be intelligent enough because no intelligent person could fall for that. This goes beyond just wanting to call MAGA dumb, which is not the issue.

This is effectively a thought terminating cliche, because we are lead to assume that nothing can be done about a person's intelligence.

There are all kinds of people in the MAGA movement. The commonality between them all is a refusal to use their critical thinking skills or in some cases a lack of those skills altogether.

Anyone can learn to think critically. We need to examine our neoliberal society to understand why people haven't or more often than not are refusing to think critically. And we need to encourage others to do the same.

 

The Senate on Friday approved a Republican bill to fund federal agencies through September, averting a government shutdown hours before the midnight deadline after Democrats relented.

The bill passed the Senate in a 54-46 vote, overcoming steep Democratic opposition. On Saturday, Donald Trump signed it into law, the White House said.

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