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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Much of Soviet sci-fi art very much did strive for realism and plausibility, that's not at odds with painting an idealistic picture of the future in any way.

the dispossessed is as detailed as for instance the inhabited island in how its anarchist society works and how it is powered

Not sure what this has to do with discussing solar-punk aesthetic to be honest. You just keep moving goal posts here.

what makes anarres society just another version of the nordic model?

The critique was of the solar-punk art that depicts a society without showing how the technology is produced. Last I checked, the dispossessed portrays a society that would be best described as anarcho-syndicalism. Anarres is also a highly industrialized society, relying on advanced technology for its survival and coordination. That does not sound like the solar-punk vision presented in the art.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

one of the biggest themes of the dispossessed was how the non-hierarchic anarres workers focus on sustainability, it is one of the founding media of the solar-punk movement

how does soviet sci-fi like inhabited island strive for realism and plausibility more than the dispossessed does?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pretty weird that a book discussing a society that bears no resemblance to solar-punk aesthetic is one of the founding media for the movement. This just further highlights the incoherence of solar-punk art as it doesn't even bear resemblance to the supposed subject matter you're claiming it's drawing inspiration from.

how does soviet sci-fi like inhabited island strive for realism and plausibility more than the dispossessed does?

Have I somewhere claimed this to be the foundational media for Soviet sci-fi art?

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

the art style of modern solar-punk is largely based on earthships https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship, but its foundational ideas were largely inspired by the dispossessed

when did i claim that inhabited island was foundational media for soviet sci-fi art? i said the dispossessed was foundational media for the solar-punk movement, and then asked why you said soviet sci-fi art like inhabited island are more realistic and plausible than it. is there another piece of soviet sci-fi you want to use instead as an example for it being more realistic and plausible than the dispossessed?

edit: maximum depth reached, return to the surface for air: hexbear.net/comment/6329112

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

the art style of modern solar-punk is largely based on earthships

One would certainly wouldn't get that impression by looking at most solar-punk imagery. Nor does the imagery reflect any aspect of the dispossessed that I can see.

when did i claim that inhabited island was foundational media for soviet sci-fi art?

You brought it up as a contrast to me pointing out discrepancies between solar-punk art and what the dispossessed describes. If you agree it's not foundational to Soviet art, then what relevance does it have to the discussion?

is there another piece of soviet sci-fi you want to use instead as an example for it being more realistic and plausible than the dispossessed?

There are plenty of examples of Soviet sci-fi that are more realistic and plausible than the dispossessed because Soviet sci-fi was rooted in a real-world socialist system that actually existed as opposed to a purely speculative one the dispossessed describes. Here are a just few prominent examples from the USSR that offer plausible (within their era's understanding) visions of a futuristic socialist society:

  • Andromeda Nebula by Ivan Efremov where Efremov, a paleontologist, meticulously details a future Earth (around the 22nd century) where humanity has achieved a truly global communist society.
  • The Noon Universe Series by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky presents an advanced, peaceful, and technologically sophisticated communist society
  • Alice Selezneva series by Kir Bulychev paints a consistent and plausible picture of a future communist Earth