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Looks arouns: families making a living, my doctor visit was for free, and a friend is about to take a huge redundancy package thanks to state laws that mandate his company to compensate.
We are so fallen.
I'm not working today, yet I'm still being paid thanks to employment law ensuring full paid time off.
No, obviously we'd be much better under the American style hyper-capitalist system. Especially now.
You pay for your doctor visit with taxes. It wasn't free.
Europe is a big place, France is in heavy crisis because of their debt. Torre Pacheco in Spain has some immigrant issues (almost 30% of it's population it's non-eu immigrants)
no fucking shit. Everyone knows it was paid for by taxes, but it's still significantly cheaper than paying for it up front like you would in america.
Just pointing out it's not free. That's how you get government official saying public money belongs to no one.
Edit. I never did the math on which costs me more money but it's around 2k for public healthcare in Spain per person, but my employer pays for my private healthcare (if I add another person is about 40€, including dental which public healthcare doesn't cover everything), but also if I have to get surgery they would send me to the public one...
No it was free, see my previous comment.
Wild thing about this line of argument is that it almost solely comes out of american mouths, you know the place that pays more per capita then anyother nation on health care.
Oh you're one of them. Real relation that you're providing everyone there.
Except it's actually not strictly speaking true, yeah everyone pays some taxes and some of those taxes go to healthcare but it's not a separate tax, it's just part of the tax everyone pays. Some of it goes to healthcare, but some of it goes to road maintenance, some the police. It's all just in a big lump of tax.
It's not as if your tax rate goes up depending on your health. You pay the same amount of tax regardless of your current medical status so to say you pay for health with tax is a rather disingenuous.
No shit! Happy to pay taxes to keep healthcare public.
Me too, but I don't consider what I pay for "free" and I pay respect and value a lot what costs me money too.
In fact I wouldn't mind paying more taxes for even better services.
It's good to be considerate with money indeed. Better services are there though, but private in most cases, at least there is the alternative.
Plenty of people, like students and old people, who didn't pay taxes because they don't have income. Who still get the same service.
To them it is free.
Also, even if your statistic isn't made up (which I doubt), why should it matter that 30% are non-eu immigrants? Are they not allowed to live there or something?
Students sure, but everyone that is an adult pays for that. Elder people already paid for that their whole live.
Of course they are allowed, as long as they are legal but they are also being allowed being illegal. And the point of that reply was to point you can't expect 30% population increase and no crime increase so the population that was living there is experiencing more crime than before.
Do elaborate.
39% crime increase in 2022, 4,1% increase in 2025. 10,7% increase in robberies, more sexual related crimes.
The population has grown over 60% since the start of this century. Most of that immigrant population is from Maghreb. Some are illegal but the exact number is unknown. The current protests began when 4 illegal immigrants beat an elder man.
You to know that correlation does not equal causation, right?