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[–] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Well, yes and no.

In my personal perspective, gender is a multi-dimensional space in which the male and female archetypes represent the ends of just one spectrum of variation. Additional dimensions include (but are not limited to) masc/femme, cisgender/transgender, intersex/endosex, and genderless/genderfull.

In that context, it's easy to define myself as being closer to the opposite of agender folks than any of the other poles. If a kid asked us if I were a boy or a girl, rather than the "No" they'd give, I would answer "yes".

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Welp, I fear my answer would be maybe.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

That's also valid! There's a lot of space in 5D gender:

On a scale of 0-10, then on the male/female axis I'm about a 5, masc/femme 3, inter/endo 4, cis/trans 9, and agender/genderfull 10

But that's way too complicated for most folks who've never been taught anything but binary gender.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Well for me I can be varying degrees of male/female or masc/female (not really sure what the difference is) without it necessarily affecting my feeling of the "opposite". I'm also not quite sure what the inter/endo dimension is about. Otherwise I'm probably a 3.5-8 on the m/f dimensions, 5ish for trans/cis (no feeling for that tbh), and a 1-6 on the agender/genderfull dim.

I'm guessing the low values in the last dimension are causing the rest of it to be messed up.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well for me I can be varying degrees of male/female or masc/female

Also valid! Genderfluid folks slide around the graph as needed.

male/female and masc/femme (not really sure what the difference is) [...] I'm also not quite sure what the inter/endo dimension is about.

The male/female pair refers to reproductive roles, I'm in the middle of that range because I don't strongly identify with either of the breeding archetypes.

Masc/femme refers to gender presentation, I lean a bit more towards the masculine side thanks to my fancy moustache and lack of concern for makeup, but I'm also very proud of my itty bitty titties and I like to wear well-fitting clothes that emphasize my figure.

Intersex/endosex is a slightly more complicated one to explain. Just because someone is born with an intersex condition doesn't necessarily mean that they identify with it and vice-versa for the endosex individuals who have the typical sex charachteristics. Most folks are strongly endo, but gender-nonconforming and nonbinary folks like me have an identity that's often much closer to the intersex archetype than otherwise.

I'm guessing the low values in the last dimension are causing the rest of it to be messed up.

Being lower on the genderless/genderfull scale does tend to make one's position in the other dimensions more uncertain, true. I don't see that as being "messed up", though, you've just got a looser connection to those other aspects of your identity and that's just fjne! =D

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

In that case I couldn't care less about the male/female dimension but my male and female value are basically identical but usually absent. Masc/Femme still varies a lot day by day but my presentation also isn't how I usually want to look. Inter/endo is still hard but maybe somewhere around a 4.

Thanks for trying to teach me your way of representing gender. It's easier than some ideas I've had but so much better than what most people expect.

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