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So how long until they kick legacy mods from r/startrek and reopen?
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Just because some users decide to stay with reddit does not mean they deserve to have their community destroyed.
Beg to differ there. Reddit has shown it's hand. They want to profit off free content while giving nothing back to the people who create that content. Back them at your peril.
The actual users or the community I should say, is not profiting off of anything. Don't conflate the users of the service or app that is Reddit with its management.
Let's be clear on one thing: as with any private social network, Reddit's users are the product, not the customers.
They are the community, just like we users are here. Punishing them for something the Reddit management did, would be unnecessary vindictive, IMHO.
Is it unusual that I don't see vital importance in having to use a specific site? I think it's maybe not healthy to be that attached to a corporate social media site, since people do eventually need to get used to the cycle of websites coming and going.
Personally aside from just community I do feel like this has really drawn a big light on how information needs to be much more spread out as opposed to centralized and people being held captive by it. Maybe it's dramatic but now is possibly the move towards reddit trying to become another dominant Facebook type corporation with way too much influence, and the focus mainly being on not wanting to ruin or break up communities is potentially a short sighted one.
Like who thought Facebook would just go from social media to getting into VR and influencing groups during elections before they went public.
And with stuff like AI training that's a lot of valuable conversations reddit is holding too. Would it be so surprising if in the future people look upon reddit wondering why they had let them become so big? People laughed when Facebook started trying to branch out with their failed smartphone, but now they got people trapped using their services like WhatsApp. I feel like now this direction reddit is headed towards is less about just some internet communities now.
When it comes to places to go to get information for regular people reddit had become too big, and would be better starting to break apart. Which is really unlikely with the massive amount of traffic they get.
I didn’t conflate them. I never said the users were trying to profit. Reddit is trying to profit off user generated content that is free given and moderated while whining that others are using the api they gave away for free to do the same thing, except those developers actually provide better user experiences and accessibility than Reddit does. Reddit has shown that the only thing that matters is the money they can extract from the free labor of others, so staying on that platform is acceptance of those consequences.
I know what Reddit is doing. What I'm saying is that the users and the community in many of the subreddits are not to blame and should not be blamed or punished by users who decided they no longer want any part or reddit.
Reddit is making it much more difficult for the moderators to build and maintain communities. They're also cutting off accessible apps for using Reddit, eliminating a portion of their userbase.
Brass tacks, the community will come back (or another one will form, like r/Star_Trek or something) if people are willing to do the work. This requires them to be okay with doing unpaid labor for Reddit even while Reddit is making that labor harder. They also have to be okay with crossing a picket line.
I'm not defending reddit as a corporate entity, I "defending" its users and the community and argue against punishing them to punish reddit.
That's a fully general argument against strikes. We shouldn't punish Piggly-Wiggly's customers by striking; they might not be able to get their groceries somewhere else. We shouldn't punish drivers by striking at the auto shop; some people won't be able to get their cars repaired.
The big difference is that r/StarTrek is nowhere near as important as a grocery store or auto shop. People need to eat to live. People need to get places. People don't need to discuss Star Trek online at all. Much less do they need to discuss it specifically on Reddit. So the argument is more like: we shouldn't punish customers of Sam's Nail Salon by striking; they might have to go to Pat's Nail Salon a couple blocks over instead, and that's just not fair.
If you were to protest Piggly-Wiggly grocery store, you would do so by not going there and not by tampering their products or blocking people from entering the store. And your second argument can be turned around to the actual reddit protest itself, like you said reddit is not important so it is equally unimportant, technically speaking, what they are charging for their API. Fact however is, people use reddit, so we are back at the beginning. Protest is fine, put to punish users who still want to use reddit is not.
In point of fact, preventing people from entering a facility is how picketing works.
They are making moderation more expensive and more difficult. This is a labor issue. The fact that the workers are unpaid doesn't change that. The bosses screwing over workers is not unimportant.
Same thing as if a movie theater were engaging in wage theft against their employees: wage theft is important, but you seeing a movie at that particular theater isn't.
In point of fact picketing is congregating outside a business or venue and trying to persuade people from not entering. If the person wants go in, he or she still can. Reddit is not paying anyone but their employees, wage theft does not apply. Look, IDK if you are trying to navigate me into a position where I claim that the protest or being angry at reddit is not valid, that is not the case. What I'm saying, making the community suffer or to be less dramatic making the community pay for it, is not the answer and it is certainly not the answer to be vindictive against users who want to continue using reddit. Us being on this new platform, is a proper protest, the loss of numbers and that this growing community represents and others like, that is what counts. Having this dismissive attitude and almost dislike (That is how it comes across) and lack of empathy for those who despite all, want to remain in the reddit community or more to the point the subreddit community is something I am not behind and can't understand or condone. Welcome and invite them to join here, persuade them with compelling arguments but punishing them is the way.