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Israel has seen emigration double since the attacks of October 7, 2023, and the subsequent war in Gaza. While some are choosing to leave for security reasons, among those choosing exile are activists weary of war and feeling increasingly isolated amid their country's illiberal drift.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're talking about government repression but I'm talking about antisemitism. In my city (Montreal) there have been a few arsons and bombing attacks on Jewish schools, and some more minor things (like some idiot doing seig heils at a pro Palestine protest, or some other idiot beating up a Jewish dad in front of his kids). We thankfully haven't had any casualties, and everyone that is sane is condemning these incidents, including obviously the anti-genocide movement, but the Jews are rightfully spooked. Hell, I was spooked because my kid's school was close to a Jewish school that was targeted, I can only imagine how terrified they would be.

Of course the Zionist lie that somehow opposing Israeli apartheid and genocide is "antisemitism" is hollowing out the word and making things worse and actually creating the ground for less-than-smart people to fall for antisemitic propaganda by actual hateful fuckfaces. So it's the job of the rest of us to keep up the vigilance.

Protecting Jews in the West is (a) a moral obligation towards our fellow citizens, and (b) denying Zionism it's Big Lie, thus laying the foundation for Palestinian Liberation.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am also from Montreal. Violence against both jews and Muslims increased after 7 of Octobers. All groups should be protected, it also feel like jews safety are more important than anybody else rather than being as important as protecting other groups. Many Montreal Zionists get outraged by anything related to Palestine it's so ridiculous , like some orgs raising money for Palestinians with bakery sale get flooded by Zionists talking about how that money will go to Hamas. NDG NPD candidate in the previous election was also accused of supporting hamas, this is a really serious accusation

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Tabarouette bro. Look, I'm not saying Jewish safety is "more important than anybody else". Jews deserve safety like everyone else. Beyond that, what I'm saying is that it is important from the point of view of Palestine liberation. I'm also not defending obnoxious idiots (see above), who threaten other people. Safety also doesn't mean silencing politics: let's debate and argue until we turn blue in the face, but let's do it as concitoyens. Any Jew who decides to stay here and not do Aliya is a win for Palestine.

Edit: The extreme Zionists especially: better they stay here than they go there to act out their fascist fantasies. In Canada at least they don't get to go around doing pogroms on Palestinians. Keep them here. Maybe their children will see the stupidity of always acting threatened.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In Canada at least they don't get to go around doing pogroms on Palestinians.

Canada didn't intervene when Zionist organizations went selling Palestinians land in the west bank in synagogues

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That makes my point even more. In Canada, they are subject to our laws and our politics. We can push our authorities to do their job. We have agency and bandwidth here that the Palestinians over there don't.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No, that doesn't make you point. Canada should definitely intervene and punish orgs that sell occupied lands to Canadian Zionists. Which law allow them to do this terrible immoral thing?

There no Zionist orgs in Canadian terrorism list showing the double standard

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah ok, just to be clear. I'm not saying Canada is fine or that the government is doing the right thing. The government turns a blind eye all the time. Zionist orgs can sell stolen Palestinian land in synagogues and nobody in power lifts a finger. That should be illegal. That is a double standard.

But there's a difference between the Canadian state and Canada as a place where people live. The government sucks, but we still have space here to organize, protest, call stuff out, pressure MPs, build solidarity. Over there in Israel, people who make Aliyah go straight into a settler-colonial state with an army and full impunity. We lose them.

So yeah, I’d rather even the most annoying Zionist stay here where we can argue, expose, and maybe even change minds. Not because Canada is "righteous" but because it’s a battlefield where we have agency.

This isn’t about saying Jews are more important or letting anyone off the hook. It’s about keeping people out of the occupation and using what power we do have to make that happen.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I didn't say that our Zionists should be sent to Israel. Anybody who harass jews in Canada face repercussions when found so there is no reason to believe that European or Canadian jews are fleeing to Israel because they no longer feel safe, in Israel they would experience constant feel of unsafety due to rockets . As opposed to anti occupation who are not involved are accused of being antisemite while people doing illegal stuffs like selling lands in occupied territories face zero repercussions.