this post was submitted on 13 May 2026
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We are defederating awful.systems from:

because it's extremely anarchist to use the chatbot as your moderator (no no it's totally human in the loop) and post corporate DARVO-filled excuses when caught.

see also [1] and [2]

This is a last straw after a string of dubious and exhausting behaviour.

If you're an awful.systems user and you post to communities on those instances, you will need to create an account on one of them.

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I could be charitable enough to imagine a conversation on Discord where one mod posts "heres the log, ngl he looks pretty bigoted, i already pre emptively banned them", next mod posts "lol ran it through deepseek for funsies and got <clipboard.png>", and finally somebody says "lmao gettin smarter erry day, verra nice, big thanks to big brother sponsor OpenAI™", to which there are many Borat stickers and thumbs-up. I can't be charitable enough to ignore their own wiki:

Divisions by zero is a lemmy instance hosted under the dbzer0 domain and is a founding member of the FAF. It is run by Anarchists but is not exclusionary to the ideology. It promotes libertarian socialist ideals, is against copyrights and pro-non-corporate GenAI technology. It is neurodivergence-friendly.

Wrong fucking dog-whistle, dudes. If you want to communicate that you're open to responsible self-hosted machine learning which doesn't simulate humans, then say that. As read, this sounds like they enjoy using llama.cpp at home, and the median friend in my orbit who is doing llama.cpp at home is suffering light chatbot psychoses already. Honestly, it's a little cringe that they haven't declared a ~~Neo-Leninist~~ Anarchist Butlerian Jihad By Zero instead.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

libertarian socialist ideals

wtf are these ideals supposed to be?

If its "libertarian, but doesn't want people dying in the streets or dying of preventable diseases", I will give them the tiniest modicum of credit for being better than standard libertarians, but being libertarian at all still leaves them deep in the negative on credibility in my books.

pro-non-corporate GenAI technology

By which I assume they mean corporate models that got released as open weight models (and at-best/at-most got a touch of fine-tuning from a community effort), but still ultimately originated from mass plagiarism and are still not useful beyond generating slop...

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 days ago

"libertarian" outside the US is the leftist term that Rothbard specifically and knowingly co-opted for shitheadry

[–] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 1 points 6 days ago

Very little relation to capital-L Libertarians. Libertarian socialism is broadly socialism that seeks to replace the state with smaller-scale social structures and direct democracy that can satisfy everyone's needs equitably without the threat of violence or enforcement of property rights. Libertarianism is meant to protect capitalism from the state; libertarian socialism is meant to protect people from both the state and capitalism. I don't want to get into the details of leftist ideological micro-labels, but generally confusing anarchists with anarcho-capitalists is the quickest way to piss off both.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

your read of this situation is entirely correct, but things aren't as bad as you think. things are a bit worse

they're running a distributed computing thing that hosts some llms and diffusion models, for their own and their users use

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

and, frankly, given the “what makes you think there even is a repo?” type answers, I’d have some Ops Maturity questions there too

(nvm even the code itself (which apparently is something in the ballpark of heisenberg dynamics))

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

update 2: they found the repo, week+ later, but won't show you and it was made by yet another admin (tbf it was said straight previously deep in some thread). just a rogue mod, nothing to see here

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I kept asking for the code, and their response was all manner of telling

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 1 points 6 days ago

Good on you for pushing that point. Trying to pass off the logging details identifying their llm as ChatGPT as a "joke" was incredibly stupid, but more people might have bought that lie if you didn't press that followup question.