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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/64572229

Listen to Malcolm X if you haven't. In history, reformation follows revolutionary acts. While there are those who preach peace, there are also those who use violence to achieve peace. Those in power obviously don't like to shed light on those that may take up violent acts.

I doubt if the french revolution was occuring today that CNN, CBS, The Washington Post, etc, would say anything. And if they did it would be to demonize the acts.

In the wake of the alleged shooting by Luigi Mangione, insurance providers started approving claims, saving lives. I don't see major networks pointing out that fact.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I feel like I must be the only American who actually has good insurance.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is no such thing

Your healthcare should not be commodified in the first place

For-profit health is disgusting

[–] shroomato@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Hey, at least my ball and chain are made of gold!"

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

"I'm lucky enough to even have an above-average length chain"

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm just saying it's been working for me. Not endorsing the system as a whole.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Ahhhh

Of course

The classic 'Murican "I'm ok, so fuck everyone else"

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 13 hours ago

No? Everyone should have healthcare. I don't know where you're getting that from.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You are definitely in the minority. The point is then to look further than your own situation and see the big picture and how the system affects most people. And then decide whether the system is actually working.

"Fuck you I got mine" seems to be a very American sentiment.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If you read carefully you might even pick up on the fact that I alluded to the unusual nature of my situation and that it's not common in the US.

You seem to be imagining and attacking a set of views that are not only not in my comment but are contradicted by it. Might be time to touch grass if this is how you're interacting with people.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

β€œFuck you I got mine” is a universal right-wing and selfish sentiment.
While the US definitely is further down that road I certainly see that attitude growing in EU.
Our government is trying hard to limit aid to sick people and unemployed.
both painted in the complicit press as leeches.
And don't get me started on refugees.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What would happen to it if you became unemployed?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It literally depends on how nice your employer wants to be.

I have a great job now, but I lost two jobs during the covid years. For one of them, my insurance lasted until the end of the next month or something like that, in addition to some severance pay.

For the other, it ended immediately. Like if you have a doctor appointment tomorrow morning that shit will not be paid for. If you wake up sick, maybe call a bankruptcy attorney because we won't be answering your calls.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, I've never heard of one where it ends as soon as employment does; usually it lasts until the end of the current month.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

No, but I did live in Germany for 10 years back in the 80s - 90s.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Well I have it through my spouse so nothing lol.

But yeah I agree having it tied to employment is problematic. However I did have state insurance when I was unemployed so it's not like I wouldn't have insurance, it just would probably be worse than what I have now.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quick question, have you had to use it for anything serious?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't know it was good.

This year I have paid $1000 for over $1,000,000 of medical care.

Admittedly I doubt it actually costs that much but even if it's a fraction I feel grateful what I'm paying is not too much.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Has it occurred to you that you shouldn't be paying anything at all?

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I’ve been in mental healthcare for my entire adult life and some of my childhood. I’ve paid nothing. I’m almost in my 40s at this point so it’s been a good (heh not even) 25+ years. The biggest expense was buying stuff from vending machines lol. Medicare has its faults, but I’d rather have a faulty Medicare than the us β€œhealth” system

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

UK here, I'm getting my asthma inhalers free now im in Scotland, but was like Β£7 in England. Ive had 2 operations and about a week of ward-care, all "free".

We're also being told over and over and over again that the NHS is not fit for purpose and needs to be scrapped and privatised completely. Its baffling.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep

Australia ain't perfect, but it's close

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 day ago

Yup. Same with the ndis. I’ve probably cost the govt millions over the last few decades. Between the ndis and medicare, I shudder to think how much I’ve cost them. But I’m soooooo thankful for both of those services.

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In what western country would you pay less than $1000 annually for healthcare?

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They didn't pay less than $1000 for healthcare. They paid $1000 in addition to their insurance. In developed countries you pay for your healthcare and then you don't pay for it again when you actually use it.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

In developed civilized countries, you pay according to your ability to pay, because it's not a business: it's a common service, we don't want anyone to go without.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago

You are correct. I should have included the normal payments in the total but my spouse pays that so I don't know what it is.

Australia

New Zealand

The UK

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

$1,000,000 of medical care.

That is something I can't conceive of and I'm not alone.

Big numbers are sometimes big for no reason and elimantiong middlemen makes it go down.

Edit: I'm sorry you went through whatever it was regardless.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you knew the details it might not be as crazy as it sounds... probably not a million but many thousands I'm sure.

Yeah it was pretty rough. Most difficult experience of my life. Even family members said for them it was also their most difficult experience.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If you knew the details it might not be as crazy as it sounds... probably not a million but many thousands I'm sure.

I'm sure it was awful and I don't mean to demimish that in any way. But again, fundamentally no matter the details it's not something I can truly fathom. No one of any status in my country would accrue millions in medical debt.

I'm Canadian, our healthcare is flawed in many ways and only looks good when compared to the states'. But even ours, with medications, eyes, dentistry, etc. being excluded from free healthcare, that's ludicrous.

Again, not to invalidate what you've been through, but to reiterate: it didn't all have to be that way.

Sorry, this is a sensitive subject and don't mean to get intro it this much. I just want you and others to know this isn't natural or even common

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well presumably everyone in Canada has good insurance.

But regardless of whether you pay out of pocket or not someone is still paying the cost when people need expensive medical care. Hopefully yours is more efficient than ours but time, expertise, hospital beds, supplies... these things are not cheap.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Well presumably everyone in Canada has good insurance.

Oh boy.

No.

The biggest grocery stores (oligopolies) are notorious for not giving employees 40h/wk specifically so they don't need to include health benefits. And that's just one example.

Edit: nearly half of. Canadians are living paycheque-to-paycheque

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I thought you had universal healthcare. It's still tied to employment?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Nope, dental, eyes, and prescriptions, etc. are excluded πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

Edit: which is admittedly still better than south of the border, but weak compared to east of the Atlantic

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The point your missing is you shouldn't have to pay anything.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 23 hours ago

Wow, you really DO have abnormally good insurance, to only pay a grand in a year.

For anybody else confused by this because you live in a civilized country, let me translate: The standard offering from employers nowadays is called a high deductible health plan. The deductible is the amount you have to pay* for healthcare before your insurance pays anything, and it is typically several thousand dollars.

(* There are a few preventive services that are 100% covered, so if you have no health issues whatsoever you can still get a yearly checkup and a flu shot without paying extra)

[–] abcd@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

In comparison:

German statutory health insurance (GKV) in 2026 totals around 21% of gross salary (14.6% base + ~2.9% average Zusatzbeitrag) plus 3.6% Pflegeversicherung β€” combined employer and employee. For a €4,000/month salary, that’s roughly €840/month total; at the income cap of €5,812.50, the full combined cost reaches about €1,220/month. Employee and employer each cover roughly half.

I think the cheapest combination would be state owned hospitals and health centers. The state owns the land, pays the staff and buys equipment and medication in huge quantities, which may result in cheaper prices. If not, they could also start producing their own base medication.

A profit oriented health sector is not a good idea. It only gives you minimum care combined with high costs.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No fucking way the real cost is $1M unless you had an organ transplant. And that's still considering US prices which are inflated.

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[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Damn sorry. Hope things turned out OK.

So far they have for me but it's sort of an ongoing thing still...

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