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And... what proof do you have of that? Because it sure as hell can't be their actions. Also downvoted for completely sidestepping the point of the OP.
Proof of what?
My statement literally said I didn't think it was usually willful. Misled, ignorant, sheltered, etc.
I mostly agree with the post. I am confident that a small minority of the party are corrupt and lie about their values. Schumer and Jeffries both need to go ASAP. However the last fucking statement was...
THAT sentiment is what I was addressing.
That they're just misled, ignorant, etc. Why should I or anyone else believe they don't more or less know what they're doing?
Except what happens when they're confronted about that ignorance? Because if what we're looking at isn't willful ignorance, then it's downright delusion. There's more than enough information out there for anyone looking for that truth to find it. So I repeat, what's your proof that the segment of the DNC who's actively malicious/willfully ignorant is only a small minority? Almost nothing that institution has done in the last 50 years warrants any kind of faith.
Sure, but you didn't address their proof of that sentiment (you know, the guy in the OP literally voting against his own bill).
The DNC or the larger population of representatives in the democratic party? DNC and congressional Leadership has been mostly atrocious recently.
You don't have proof that they are doing it all fully aware and intentionally, and I don't have proof to the contrary. I'm convinced it's not a conspiracy of the majority of the party members because of Hanlon's Razor.
I am, and I assume you are, looking from the outside in. We're not insiders. What I see from my perspective is a broken system, resulting from corrupt inputs (many of them money, fed by the rich, making greed a major factor). Those corrupting the system want to alter the system to do what they want it to do. If they are even aware of reality, the corruptors would want thoseninside the system to see their own ignorance. There are likely many arguments that have convinced them to act as they are acting. Maybe they want to ensure the Republicans look as bad as possible because some campaign consultant told them it will get them a bigger majority during the midterms.
That's proof of something specific occuring. It doesn't prove why it occurred, or more accurately the motivations behind the action. If there were proof of the motivations, it wouldn't be proof of a widespread conspiracy.
The latter.
Sure, but it's almost impossible to actually 100% prove anything the way you're implying, especially as it applies to a group of people that large. What we can do is notice that take the null hypothesis (the idea that most Democratic federal and state-level politicians aren't actively malicious) and see how well it explains their actions. The answer is: It absolutely doesn't. You know it doesn't, which is why you feel the need to present alternative explanations and what-ifs for why they're acting the way they're acting. The fact of the matter is that while we can't be 100% certain, we can make an educated guess that's acceptable until evidence emerges to the contrary. This, not what you're doing, is how scientists tackle these sorts of questions.
Okay pardon my French, but why the fuck should I or anyone else care about that? Ultimately the important thing about politicians is what they do, not what they believe. Also if what you said is actually the logic they're working under then they're pieces of shit who shouldn't be allowed within five miles of political power, so that's not the defense you think it is..
You say that, but you don't provide any compelling explanation (with evidence to back it up) other than a conspiracy. Do you just expect people to give every individual Democratic politician the benefit of the doubt? That's like saying "oh all those cigarettes were bad, but you don't know for sure all cigarettes give cancer." In essence, your argument boils down to telling us to have faith just because.
Literally, literally, your point is that they are actively malicious and purposely working with the specific intent to harm the power and rights of the population in order to serve billionaire masters. I literally gave you a potential reason (one that I think is immoral, personally) I've heard as Democratic strategy from Democratic strategists. Make the people feel the pain brought by Republicans fresh just before an election, so that they'll get votes. That's an alternative theory, like you asked for.