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[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because LLMs and similar generative “AI” tools aren't intelligent.

Nor, arguably, are they artificial, since the models are grown rather than built.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

What is intelligence? Also, I think artificial refers to the fact that they don't have life.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because signal matching and manipulation is not intelligence unless you're willing to admit that is all you are capable of.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

AI tools don't actively manipulate people. They're just confident about their answers as they should be.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I meant signal manipulation, but sure, that includes manipulating humans since we are just another signal input. That isn't a statement on values, just an objective description of how it works.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I still don't understand how it cannot be as intelligent as us.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That "intelligence" will tell you how it is not as intelligent if you ask directly. This is not because it's intelligent and KNOWS it's limitations but because it picked up on my signal for what I wanted and gave something resembling that to me. You could ask it the opposite thing and arrive at a very different conclusion. https://claude.ai/share/97859aae-beb2-4245-a8b1-460122ee4aa1

I would even say the analogies it gave aren't entirely accurate. A person reading a book experiences it very differently than an LLM. And this is a key insight to an element of the Turing test where you ask it to explain some poetry (not simply write a poem).

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

While I agree that it doesn't have a physical experience, I don't think a physical experience is necessary to speak to someone.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I meant LLMs and people experience reading a book differently in the internal sense. Or at least for some people.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

Of course! We hallucinate being in the character's place. The LLM can't experience that because it has no emotions.

In any case, unless you're talking about emotional intelligence, I don't think that's necessary to be intelligent.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 20 hours ago

I think they meant signal matching and signal manipulation