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He drove the SU7 for half a year to understand what was being done elsewhere.
He chose it over Tesla because he acknowledged they were innovating.
I think you’re over analyzing what is otherwise clever marketing from the head of an automaker signaling they intend to innovate in new ways, praising your “competition” is a sound strategy.
Anyways, competition is good, china catching up is a good thing.
Catching up? Their cars are straight up better, everyone is buying BYD cars everywhere they're sold because they're actually excellent vehicles. Hell, brazilians, who are known for not having any sort of money whatsoever, are saving up or financing them cause the amount of money saved on gas pays for the extra price of the car within like an year.
neat, I’m not interested in shaking dicks about who has the better team.
The fact of the matter is that the US market is shutting out competition because they know they would be completely fucked if they allowed BYD/Geely there. They're gonna turn themselves into Cuba with old cars that can't be repaired.
Are you familiar with Chinese restrictions on their domestic market? Why do they think they deserve unrestricted access to the US and other markets when they do not extend that same privilege to their own market?
Pretty much every Western car company is allowed in China, they just have to obey local laws. I don't think they ban entire car brands based on political bullshit.
For 40 years, china required 50% Chinese ownership of foreign automakers who wanted to sell in China, technology transfer requirements, and other restrictions. It's only very recently that these restrictions have been eased. Combined with their decades of currency manipulation and other protectionist limitations, I don't think it's fair for them to expect unfettered access to other markets.
I actually like and admire a lot about China, but this just seems hypocritical.
Or as much of the rest of the world views the Chinese international model: flooding the market with “impossibly” cheap products, being a loss leader everywhere to kill the competition.
What the USA is doing is equally anti-competitive.
So now that the two leading narratives around the Chinese automotive market have been laid out here I still have no interest in shaking dicks about which is right/better.
More competition is good, China catching up ( or even being light years ahead as apologists proclaim ) is a good thing.
In 2023 the top selling car in Europe was American. In 2024 that car is still the 4th best selling. With Dacia, Renault and VW being in 1 2 3 respectively.
The American market isn’t being shut out, they still have a stranglehold on the continent and their subsidiaries sell quite well in Europe.
It’s good that China is catching up.
I'm not a China apologist, they're literally more capitalist than the US because of that Deng cunt. And yes, I know that is their idea, Uber and Doordash did the same thing, but at this point American car companies deserve to go out of business.
I’ll take the bait, go on. Do tell. Why do they deserve to go out of business specifically? Just a “we hate America” position or ???
No, it's because they are stagnant, complacent, refuse to sell anything people actually want and instead railroads people into buying 100k dollar trucks they don't need that do nothing but cause trouble, take space, and kill pedestrians, constantly bribe officials to get competitors neutered or banned, and overall treat their customers like actual dogshit. And I think this goes for any car company that sells in the US, they all know American customers don't fucking care about being treated like shit so they do the same thing. Brazilian car companies did the same exact thing, and BYD and Geely essentially spooked them into lower prices and trying to be more customer friendly.
Can you provide an example of how people are "railroaded" into buying trucks and how there is not a single car on the road in the US that "people want" yet they bought one anyway? These claims are so ridiculous.
You're claiming that no auto manufacturer in the world sells a vehicle that people want outside of these two Chinese brands? If thats the case then why don't BYD and Greely have a 100% market share everywhere they're sold?
The railroading would be more akin to aggressive marketing and some degree of propaganda, which is extremely common in the United States. Very rarely you'll get car ads on the US that aren't some sort of SUV or light truck.
And no, that's not my claim. It's more that BYD and Geely have vehicles and features that aren't made with the sole goal of making the car more expensive. American car companies (and subsidiaries of foreign companies) are extremely predatory, and BYD/Geely try to focus in moving away from that way of treating the customer. And yes, that is a marketing tactic. But if this marketing tactic makes predatory western car companies change their ways, I don't see a problem with it.
When both of those companies arrived in Brazil, the cars became extremely popular mostly because of them offering (assumingly) non-predatory practices. They're still large companies, so I don't inherently trust them in that regard, but it's competition that is making western car companies shit themselves hard enough to try to ban those vehicles.
You mean like BYD and Greely claiming they'll sell everyone brand new cars for $10k if only you'd just let them take over your entire auto industry? This is a well worn ploy of any disruptor. Move in with something that dazzles everyone and earns good will just long enough to take over the market and then immediately enshittify your product because there is no competitor left.
Meaning every auto manufacturer in the world outside of China since they all sell here? "Everyone is a predator except China!"
Of course they do because they're in the growth phase. They're that new drug dealer on the corner that wants you to try their product and hey! they'll even let you try it for free! What compels them to maintain goodwill once they're the only ones left standing since they're being directly funded by their powerful government? Can you provide examples of other Chinese companies doing this in the past and maintaining that goodwill in other industries?
That's not "competition" that's their wealthy government using their vast resources to undercut everyone else and sell their product at a loss. It's quite an obvious ploy and its completely unsustainable long term. As I've repeatedly stated, this is only being done to capture and control the market.
You're not doing yourself any favors defending General "I sell pedestrian-crushing trucks" Motors.
This is all you can respond with? Some appeal to emotion regarding something I didn't even say?
How lame.
Funny you bring up "crushing pedestrians" as that reminds of an incident in Tiananmen Square from a while back...
No, I just thought your argument was terrible and extremely defensive of the Western car market cartel, as if anyone needs to defend them. I am aware that Chinese companies are not little angels, but compared to the Western brands that explicitly run a rat race to see who can sell the shittiest car for the highest price, they're more saintly than Mother Mary.
My argument is "terrible" which is why you keep moving goal posts and can't actually respond to anything I've said with a rebuttal.
Ah yes the "~~US~~ ~~American~~ western cartel" is what you've finally decided on, which is comprised of every automaker in the world, with the most popular ones being countries even further east than China. Yeah that makes perfect sense.
Maybe you should look what entails today to get a brand new car in the US, and you'll learn why everything about the US car market is beyond fucked.
You think I've never bought a car before? It entails going down and paying for it. How about you make the argument yourself instead of hand waving and making vague claims
Try those three videos, for starters. Guy is not an expert, but he's a car enthusiast who has a lot of connections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivp4O-udEDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jxt75wACo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6o0uVsJX_o
Ford sells globally though, even if BYD is legislated out of the US market, they still need to compete everywhere else - to the point where they teamed up with VW to sell a sedan in EU that they don't offer in NA.
Catching up? The US auto industry is a dinosaur.
Catching up? China is miles ahead in regards to EV's and innovation. And not just in that area. Luckily the western mind is still set in the China copies , China bad, China shit quality mindset, except the people who have visited China and see advancement across the board.
chinese spyware integrated into todays smart vehicles doesnt sound like something anyone wants
American spyware created by the CIA: "Aww, you're sweet"
Chinese spyware: "HELLO, HUMAN RESOURCES???"
(both are bad. but pretending one is worse than the other is stupid)
Yes. Palantir, meta, Google, Amazon, openAI are leading US examples of valuing users privacy.
Plus that spyware myth is propaganda to convince the ignorant citizens to avoid anything Chinese but put your faith in American ~~spyware~~ solutions. Think about the F16 fighters and their kill switch.