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[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

China is doing internet right?

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They're sovereign.

American tech companies. American national security organs cannot touch them, cannot put the hurt on them. They are independent and there is nothing Meta, Google, Oracle, etc can do to them. Look at Europe, look at the rest of the world on Facebook and Oracle products with a big gun right at their temple held in the CIA's hand if they do something the US doesn't like. China doesn't have that gun at its head and because of that China can be truly sovereign from the US.

[–] considine@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As someone who has lived in China for many years, including now, I have to say it's really not great for accessing the World Wide Web. Within China, the accessible internet is basically a Chinese national intranet. Which is not terrible if you are a native Chinese speaker, I guess. They censor because the US sending out massive propaganda. But China's government is producing a lot of domestic propaganda, too. Different goals - the US to destabilize and take over, China to stabilize and maintain support for the system.

As I have lived here many years, I've put in a great deal of effort to learn the language. Unfortunately, with limited results. Learning to read and write in Chinese requires a structured learning environment and about 10 years of focus for most people. Due to illiteracy in Chinese I can't just switch to using the Chinese intranet. And the government keeps cracking down on VPNs. It can be very frustrating accessing the internet outside the GFW. And frankly there is a lot of useful and interesting content that exists outside the GFW.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago

Totally understand your point. Iran has also imported the intranet bullshit from china.

[–] terabyterex@lemmy.world -4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

china has a lot of people online to push its agenda.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 18 hours ago