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I'm cool with just not driving. Fuck you, car manufacturers. If I can't feasibly live a lifestyle on public transit I'll buy the oldest shittiest shitbox on Earth and drive it until it fucking explodes.
I'll deal and keep fixing my 2001 lil Japanese car until it really gives up. I might even get a whole "new" motor in. If after all that it's imposible to buy another old, pre-2000 car, I won't bother. Fuck them. The lights are too bright and unsafe, the screens are unsafe and now these cameras and all? Ew. If you can't fix it yourself in your garage with basic tools and some beer, you don't own the thing.
I'm with you. Keep these cars alive !!
I need to get in my welding. Most of the time its just rust killing these cars, mechanically they go forever.
Then you are significantly sacrificing your safety. Please get a car made at least after 2013, preferably 2016, if you value your life.
Its the bro dozers that endanger us, not the 01 civics. Ban large trucks or require special licensing for any vehicle over 3500 lbs to drive. Almost No one needs a truck for daily use. 95% if people could did a brz or miata and be completely fine. If theres kids, a small 4 runner or a wagon would suffice. If theyre farmers, then they can use trucks only for towing or hauling. Limited mileage per year otherwise.
Also I sound like a European here. I'm not. And I own a truck. I only use it for work and towing.
You are completely misunderstanding me
That old cars are unsafe ? Sure, a 60s chevette will kill you. A 2002 era car is going to be pretty safe unless a huge truck hits you.
Can you be more cryptic?
Why exactly? What does a post-2016 car do, safety-wise, that a 1998 Honda Accord can't?
Achieve a “Good” rating on the 2012 IIHS small overlap test
It'll have shitty sight lines and require a backup camera because of it.
Trust me, the level of elder care in my country, that's the least of my worries. I also don't want to burn into a crisp inside an electric car that won't open it's doors once it sets on fire.
Do you have people who count on you? Who love you? Whose lives would be changed were you gone? If so, consider them when you consider your personal safety.
I wasn’t talking about electric cars, just any car made after 2013-2016 ish
You keep saying that. We'd like to know what are the factors that lead to thinking that anything pre-2013 is not safe.
The failure of IIHS’ small overlap test
What is that and what does it mean?
They run a car into something that only crunches a corner. Simulates a tree, telephone pole, or guard rail collision.
Uneven force application is much harder to safely accommodate, and it's also a more representative crash test, since more crashes happen in that manner than full width head-on collisions.
Thank you.
Google my friend
It's typically considered bad form to tell someone to Google your point for you instead of actually explaining your point yourself.
You're clearly trying to convince people of something. Actually do that instead of telling people keywords that mean something to you.
Alright
What specifically would a newer car have my 9th gen civic wouldn't?
Two things I know of that mean anything are collision detection/prevention and blindspot sensors.
The ladder of those things can be added aftermarket.
It won’t fail the small overlap crash test, but some years of the 9th gen civic are okay
2013 survives it, I really doubt they made much a change because that was that gens second year.
Thats simply not true: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1936011/honda-volvo-models-named-top-safety-picks-iihs/
Huh, fuck me, nvm.
Yes, I got people. But we all agree that we get the time we get and dying with your boots on is a whole lotta better than suffering slowly for years.
I mean it's safer than a motorcycle.
No shit
I'm desperately holding on to my Ford Ranger for this exact reason. Obligatory Fuck car manufacturers.