cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/shit/p/1172458/socialist
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Wanting a different world, doesn't mean you don't have to live in this one for now. There is no contradiction here.
I think this is aimed more at the Hassans’ of the platform than small youtubers trying to educate and make a difference.
Socialism is when small youtuber, capitalism is when popular youtuber.
Socialism is modest living and wealth redistribution, capitalism is mansion and lambo.
I know this upsets the Hasan fans, and for that I am sorry.
Pretty sure socialism is when government does things and communism is when government does lots of things.
How did communism come into this?
Making a living as a YouTuber / Influencer literally depends on capitalist methods. I.e the platforms (YouTube , Instagram, etc), and producing and selling merch. The entire idea of "content creation" is capitalistic.
No. Even in a socialist utopia, there'll still be "influencers" who become famous online.
Famous ≠ Making money. But sure, please elaborate how one would do so in a socialist Utopia. Consider me all ears
Socalism is when people who work at a company, own the company, and share in the profits. But not everyone will want to do that. Some will still want to do their own thing. They'd be paid by people (viewers in this case) same as we do now.
Okay, and where would they post their content?
To YouTube still. Which is now owned by all the Google employees.
Probably not youtube, because in a truly open market with socialist rules, youtube would have fallen with its constant enshittification and be replaced with a more user/creater friendly alternative.
In a truly open market with socialist rules, YouTube wouldn't have enshitified.
But how would they buy YouTube in the first place? How would Google even be what it is today without rich shareholders pumping in money for decades? Without harvesting and selling user data?
How far do you want to take this? Companies exist. They still would in a socialist economy.
Nobody is talking about a post scarcity world where money doesn't exist, and nobody hast to work for a living.
But to answer your question they could get loans to fund the beginning, and once they reach critical size they can monotize the same way YouTube does now. Being employee owned doesn't mean they can't harvest data or charge subscriptions.
Who and/or what would drive the company to such a size? You think Bill Gates would put all that work in just to give away the entire company? You think Mark Zuckerberg would sit for hours and hours into the night and nonstop code Facebook, just to not own it?
Yes. They would own it. Along with the rest of their employees.
Divided how? Does Gates give away half his company when he hires his first employee?
There are a lot of options.
In fact, for most of American history, neither Zuck or Gates would give away any part of their company. They just need to pay their taxes to give back for the gains afforded them by society.
Do you think either of those folks made their companies on their own? Completely? In a vacuum? Sure, Zuckerberg did a lot of work, but the Internet was made with public funds. It runs on the national electric infrastructure. Employees get there on public roads. The protocols we use are standardized by the federal government. Their employees have public educations. The languages that they use are open source and community maintained.
It doesn't have to be a cooperative. Even just going back to the way the US worked before Reagan when we had strong social safety nets, lots of public funding, and general social mindedness would be a step towards socialism.
I'm not opposed to some folks being wealthier than others; I'm opposed to people starving because we cannot sate the rich.
I don't hate money as a tool. I hate systems that maximize it over humanity.
This I can agree with! Doesn't mean it's = Socialism
Those are details that can be organised on a company by company basis. It could be built into the original incorporation contract. I'd expect an automatic union would be created and get some increasing portion of the company over time, based on milestones or simply time. It can done countless ways.
Well, I see. And it sounds great. Unfortunately, I really don't see it ever being a viable system to foster the development of products in the likes of YouTube, Twitch, Instagram, Facebook etc because no one would want to put in the work it takes to get of the ground to begin with, just for it to be forced out of your hands when it finally starts growing. The innovative brain, the skills (like programming for example), the business mind, the pure motivation, everything needed to create the foundation for such massive corporations, why does anyone else deserve a piece of the payoff just for being an employee?
You say that on a social media platform built by volenteers, doing it for donations. People do things for lots of reasons, money is only one of them. And not even the strongest for most people.
Do they make a living off of it? Are there any famous influencers based in Lemmy promoting brands?
Some of the devs make a living now on it now, I think. I don't know any people famous for being on Lemmy yet. It's too small still, and network effects keep people on the larger services. But does any of that mean it's not possible? No
I'm assuming just a very very small portion of the people contributing are earning money here.
Well, until there are big famous content creators spawning from open source platforms or some collectively owned social media, I'll remain extremely sceptical. Until then, best of luck