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inspired by lemmitors at https://lemmy.ml/post/49343381
any guy in it just for women to wear skimpier clothing should probably be investigated.

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[–] philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What a rabbithole to go down.

I agree no one should have the right tell someone else what to wear, but that doesn't mean it isn't a tool of oppression in other cultures

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Brown people culture bad amiright?

I absolutely did not say that, nor do I believe that in the slightest

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You have no idea about other cultural norms and attires. Is the western man being oppressed when he has to wear a tie and suit to the office in order to keep his job? Do we free him from this oppression by ostracizing him or making it illegal for wearing a tie?

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is the western man being oppressed when he has to wear a tie and suit to the office in order to keep his job?

Suits are expensive and unnecessary. Some people (i.e. autistic) might have sensory difficulties when they wear them. If someone is vegan, most suits aren't so it further restricts what they can wear and they have to worry more about differences in look due to the stricter dress code. Fortunately, being restricted only while working certain jobs isn't as bad as being restricted in all public spaces.

Do we free him from this oppression by ostracizing him or making it illegal for wearing a tie?

No

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alright! So we agree that ostracizing people or making it illegal for them to wear what they wear is not going to lead to a more free society?

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Then I don't know what you were trying to say with your original comment other than agreeing with me?

[–] philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, this is a fair point, but there's a few differences.

Not all jobs require a suit, there's a lot of choice (you could get through life never wearing one). Its also only required during working hours. Not around the clock. Women have been killed over these expectations. Its not the same.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Women have been killed over these expectations

Is that really what you think muslims support?? Can you not conceive of people wanting to wear a hijab?? And even if not, why is it so hard to accept that it's just a fact when they say it??

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I can conceive of an individual woman wanting to wear one. However every woman I have known who wears one does because she must if she is to follow her religion and her society's norms and her family's dictates which would indicate that she doesn't actually have the choice not to. I tend to believe that Muslim woman have a choice when they choose not to wear one because they often face abuse from other Muslims.