I mean I can see the value in ai too and still making broad sweeping anti-ai statements at the same time. Its more productive to broadly be anti-ai than it is to really stop to promote it in anyways. Also I don't think you guys realize things only become illegal after we make a fuss about it, positive change doesnt come from positive thinking. These tech companies do not underatand consent. Theres literally trillions of dollars going into this nonsense and promoting it, we don't need anymore sympathy. we could of solved world hunger FOREVER 5 times over, or got universal healthcare. But nope instead that money goes straight to elon musk and we are told that grok (who convinced 15+ people to kill themselves) should be our therapist instead. And if you think thats wrong you are a dangerous human being and should be grate full for an amazing wonderful technology.

If anything in a believer in open sourced models that anyone can run. But you know thats less than 1% of people who used any ai. Also thats not what people think of when they think of Ai. The general public thinks cool older tech like machine vision, just never existed before Sam Altmann stepped along. So when you promote ai you are only helping the epstine class, not actual real people working on real projects. Its like getting excited that people now have to do uber eats and get algorithmically manipulated into working for less than minimum wage. If there was some socialist automated revolution it would come from the local Ai guys, not the epstine class who literally have connections to Israel defense contractors and intellegence. Like god damn half of them are staffed by people in unit 8200.

Ai has become this giant marketing term that chatgpt/grok/gem are trying to hijack to only mean chatbot esque LLM's. Its much easier to simply be anti Ai or else I'm going to have to type another 20 paragraphs that most people are not going to read. When you are on a platform like reddit you kind of have to pidgon hole your arguments to suit the audience so a lot of nueance goes out the window and you have to make large generalized statements that trigger some form of emotion to even get people engaged. Lemmes nice, its full of people like me who can't help themselves from over explaining some obscure fact or anything. I feel like I can explain myself to people here and they want to listen.

I'm still used to being on reddit so if what I type sounds more combative in nature than I'm sorry. I like to think I'm conscious about what I type but its much more brain vomiting up thoughts faster than my fingers move.

The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don't own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.

Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they've done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don't use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all of it was and still is bad. I don't know how to explain anymore clearly that just because LLMs exist now that doesnt mean Ai didn't existed in the past. I can't explain to you how much of Facebook has always been just ai data scraping, illegal nonsense.

I think you guys are getting caught up in wording because we are talking about the same thing. The only thing I don't have a retort to is humans having to moderate content. I can tell you why we shouldnt use Ai but not a productive alternative.

Also I in no way want to let them off the hook, if anything I think their punishments should be worse or even excessive, for trying to pin their intentions on Ai and mysterious algorithms they pretend not to understand, yet they some how figured out how to abuse that algorithm for their ad partners. If I where to have it my way mark zuckerburg would be in prison already by a judge who insist on using maximum sentences for all possible crimes I can think of, and meta/Facebook would get a fine thats impossible to pay back similar to infowars.