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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia.

That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nato is made of the strongest western militaries.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Weapons is not the only way to back a country either

Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page!

Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons!

So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for.

Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people".

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel

Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing

So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only

But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism

Why not say UN supports the genocide?

Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions?

Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia.

No it is not silly

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago

I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Are they trading with the country "Houthis"?

Wait, no because its not a country.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The Houthis rule Yemen. Unlike the NATO-backed rebels you are thinking of.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh shit, does Rashad know that?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day