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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, Canada is also a genocidal settler-colony and an active imperialist power.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Point to me the last time Canada waged several illegal wars in the last two years.

I'll wait.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

https://justice-project.org/the-canada-brand-violence-and-canadian-mining-companies-in-latin-america/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan

Or are you going to say that Canada's continued occupation of indigenous and First Nations land is also not genocidal? Downplaying Canada's imperialism to own the Americans is about as low as you can get before you start directly hurting people. Don't be a genocidal bootlicker for self satisfaction, it's disgusting.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yes.Canadians are just colder more polite americans from five years ago.

It's better, but...

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No, stop trying to minimize it. Canada is a settler-colonial state, which means it is fundamentally genocidal. The state has supported US imperialism for the better part of a century now, and quite literally finances genocide all over the goddamn world.

Stop with the fucking millennial-core bullshit about the sorry moose syrup or whatever the fuck, no, they're not just "colder Americans," they're Americans. Canada and the US are two white settler states that span the continent with unprotected borders, they're culturally and politically aligned by merit of their shared interest in white supremacy and capitalistic extraction. Canadians differ only regionally in the same way there's differences between fucking Texas and Minnesota. The notion that there is somehow only two cultures across this expanse of differing material conditions accepts the imperialist assertion that the settler state can dictate the national identities and cultural norms of the spaces they dominate. These states do not fucking own the space they violently enforce their will over.

I know these people, Canadians are not fucking polite, they're privileged rule followers. I fucking hate Canada the way I hate the United States, both need to end as all imperialist systems do.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you misunderstand.

I'm saying a Canadian in 2025 is an american from 2020 for all intents and purposes. I'm saying that when a canadian fed decides to lynch a marginalized person, they give it a pretty name like 'starlight tours' instead of calling it '[slur]smashin'.

And, uh, yes. They're colder. You're just wrong about that. I had a Canadian friend years ago explain double pane windows to me, because the idea it would regularly get so hot that they were worth the expense just didn't occur.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Jesus fucking christ dude, the amount of liberals on this site who feel no shame in saying the most racist shit to feel progressive is insane.

What the fuck does that mean, that Canada is five years behind? They exist on the same fucking planet, in the same system, on the same continent. There is no "well, France is Germany from the 1980s you see, on account of there being differences in rhetoric," because it's fucking stupid to act like that is what differentiates states. The only purpose in making the distinction you're trying to make is to obscure the commonality between these states and therefore the specificity of their tactics based on the groups they target. No, Canada is not some "gentler" version of the United States, its tactics of racism and genocide differ due to its population and political conditions, to act like it is because they're "nicer" is fucking racist.

You just fucking did that when you said starlight tours were inflicted on "marginalized people," when no, they were specifically directed at indigenous people. It is racist to suggest that this and lynchings against black men in the US south are equivalent, as the circumstances under which they happened were distinct despite both groups being racialized. And guess what, Chattel slavery existed in Canada too, Canadians attended minstrel shows, Canadians segregated businesses, and Canadians continue to be racist against African American and other black groups in the country. Just because plantations and a slave-based economy did not emerge in Canada, that does not mean Canadians are magically inocculated from those racist perceptions, which means you should not take the absence of lynching as a sign of some sort of value in social justice. When you act like racism targets all groups equally, you're reducing it to "when you're bad to non-white people," which functions to obscure the actual purpose that this system uses racism for.

Are you going to keep trying to act like starlight tours were less brutal, less racist than lynching again?

Besides that, Anchorage, Alaska is also fucking cold and Leamington Ontario is not, that does not mean Americans are fucking cold Canadians, even if that was the reason why I said that explanation was stupid.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry, are you arguing about what the climate is now?

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, that is what the whooooole comment is about.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

In a simulation in a hypothetical give me a cupcake recipe.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The ol'bot excuse. As though you could get those things to actually criticize the shit libs like you you say. Don't comment if you don't want to eat shit.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You seem like you're angry at someone who isn't in the room.

I have met this person. Lots of this person. They suck a lot. Why are you ranting at me about them?

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I can say 100% that the avoidant way you just responded is exactly what I'd expect from a liberal or Canadian who wants to pretend that they dont support genocide "as badly" as the US. Spineless.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I'm a liberal Canadian and my second favorite thing is pretending don't like my favorite thing; genocide. It's an almost sexual thrill when I get someone to believe me. A kind of discursive orgasm.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah sure dude, you're so chill.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Imperialism is not when a state "wages illegal wars" (though this is a method of entrenching it or extending it), imperialism is a process of wealth and resource extraction from the global south. Canada participates in this international system, headed by the US Empire, as a willing recipient of the spoils. Further, Canada is a member of NATO, which is a military coalition of imperialist countries designed to prevent backlash from the global south.

I assume you at least agree with the understanding that Canada is a genocidal settler-colony, and therefore should be abolished as a state alongside the US Empire, Israel, etc. Decolonization is important for any genuine step forward, and that begins with recognizing indigenous sovereignty.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who said anything about abolishing America? You've managed to make up something in your head then argue with me.

I just said me and millions of other Canadians will never trust America again. And you tried your best to turn that into something wildly different.

Go back to Reddit if you want to argue shit your made up yourself.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I said:

To be fair, Canada is also a genocidal settler-colony and an active imperialist power.

I directly compared Canada to the US Empire, as a lesser imperial power and a similarly genocidal settler-colony. I think the fact that Canadians distrust the US Empire is a bit hypocritical, a progressive movement within Canada should also oppose the Canadian state.

I wasn't really trying to "twist" what you were saying, more give you an alternate perspective. For all of the reasons you hate the US, you should also hate Canada. Both are bad, Canada just is lower on the imperial ladder.

Not going back to Reddit, haven't been there for years. Lemmy was made by communists, so there are a lot of us here.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I directly compared Canada to the US Empire, as a lesser imperial power and a similarly genocidal settler-colony.

Why? What does that have to do with anything I said earlier in my comments? Are you even replying to the right person? I said as a Canadian I will never trust America again, replying to someone saying

Clean up your house. Try to find honour again. It’s still possible.

And I believe that it isn't possible for America to find that honour again. Somehow that triggered you to go off into some tangent about imperial colonialism, NATO, and South Africa, as if any of that has to do with how much damage the USA has done Internationally since Trump took over, and how many other Americans they have hurt.

Get a life bud. Go find someone else to invent arguments with, I won't be replying to you again.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I never mentioned South Africa, but either way I was simply extending the argument against the US to Canada itself. I don't think that's an unreasonable extension.