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I've overcorrected from "China bad" to "China is infallible." I know that's incorrect, but it's hard to decipher US propaganda from actual issues.

In discussions in the past, providing a positive counterpoint is plenty, but since more folks are already realizing the narrative about China is incorrect I would like to have more nuanced discussions where I can present both praise and criticism. I think it's also important that we don't end up in a USSR situation where Communism is synonymous with the actions of a single country.

  • I know they're trading with the genocidal zionist entity. Even if their policy is to be apolitical, that's very bad.
  • I'm unsure of what the internal restrictions look like in general
  • I saw that the "social credit score" was a small experiment in one province that got way overblown
  • Great firewall...? I know it's a thing, iiuc you can use a VPN to get around it, but only ones provided by the state (which could easily backdoor them)?
  • Limitations on speech? Do people get disappeared?
  • Are they monitoring everyone? "You can't monitor 1.5 billion people" idk computers are pretty fast. Also you can def use big data to find the people you do need to monitor more closely
  • Dengism? Reintroducing capitalism looks like a retreat at face value and has the obvious problems of capitalism, but I saw someone on here talking about it being a genius way of deindustrializing capitalist nations while building China's own capacity

Are there others? I'm happy if you also include justification for their policies, but I do want to know where you genuinely think they're making mistakes.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Dengism? Reintroducing capitalism looks like a retreat at face value and has the obvious problems of capitalism, but I saw someone on here talking about it being a genius way of deindustrializing capitalist nations while building China's own capacity

I can't get over how easy and funny it is that the answer to "How to seize the means of production" is just "bro they'll give it to you for free".

What are your legitimate grievances with China?

I was promised 70 years ago that China was going to show up and force communism on the US. ATM I'm starting to feel like a Game of Thrones fan waiting for the next book or for those dragons to actually do something. I'm getting tired of sitting around and doing nothing all day.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I can’t get over how easy and funny it is that the answer to “How to seize the means of production” is just “bro they’ll give it to you for free”.

Don't take it the wrong way, but this is an insulting way of putting it. Chinese workers had to be cheaper and more productive than elsewhere to be able to attract and keep foreign investment in China, so they made a huge sacrifice. An entire generation of chinese people worked to the bone to build what you see today, that wasn't free.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago)

The growing labor militancy of Americans also helped with the capital flight