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I've overcorrected from "China bad" to "China is infallible." I know that's incorrect, but it's hard to decipher US propaganda from actual issues.

In discussions in the past, providing a positive counterpoint is plenty, but since more folks are already realizing the narrative about China is incorrect I would like to have more nuanced discussions where I can present both praise and criticism. I think it's also important that we don't end up in a USSR situation where Communism is synonymous with the actions of a single country.

  • I know they're trading with the genocidal zionist entity. Even if their policy is to be apolitical, that's very bad.
  • I'm unsure of what the internal restrictions look like in general
  • I saw that the "social credit score" was a small experiment in one province that got way overblown
  • Great firewall...? I know it's a thing, iiuc you can use a VPN to get around it, but only ones provided by the state (which could easily backdoor them)?
  • Limitations on speech? Do people get disappeared?
  • Are they monitoring everyone? "You can't monitor 1.5 billion people" idk computers are pretty fast. Also you can def use big data to find the people you do need to monitor more closely
  • Dengism? Reintroducing capitalism looks like a retreat at face value and has the obvious problems of capitalism, but I saw someone on here talking about it being a genius way of deindustrializing capitalist nations while building China's own capacity

Are there others? I'm happy if you also include justification for their policies, but I do want to know where you genuinely think they're making mistakes.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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[–] oliveoil@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

China seems to keep pressuring Iran to negotiate with the US.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Dengism? Reintroducing capitalism looks like a retreat at face value and has the obvious problems of capitalism, but I saw someone on here talking about it being a genius way of deindustrializing capitalist nations while building China's own capacity

I can't get over how easy and funny it is that the answer to "How to seize the means of production" is just "bro they'll give it to you for free".

What are your legitimate grievances with China?

I was promised 70 years ago that China was going to show up and force communism on the US. ATM I'm starting to feel like a Game of Thrones fan waiting for the next book or for those dragons to actually do something. I'm getting tired of sitting around and doing nothing all day.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

I can’t get over how easy and funny it is that the answer to “How to seize the means of production” is just “bro they’ll give it to you for free”.

Don't take it the wrong way, but this is an insulting way of putting it. Chinese workers had to be cheaper and more productive than elsewhere to be able to attract and keep foreign investment in China, so they made a huge sacrifice. An entire generation of chinese people worked to the bone to build what you see today, that wasn't free.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 12 points 3 hours ago

My opinion is that China has a history of trouble during quick changes (cultural revolution, great leap forward, dengism) that made the CPC rather slow and momentuous, so it takes longer than it (IMO) should to react to many things.

China should have fully embraced and promoted local development of queer and feminist ideas long ago, through they're slowly moving in that direction.

China should have realized that the extent to which market socialism is useful is reaching its limits once the west has been made dependent and deindustrialized, and it should transition towards a democratically planned economy and reject neoliberal economic theory. They may be slowly moving towards Modern Monetary Theory but they should be moving much quicker.

China should realize that it's already in a cold war situation with the US and it needs to rapidly develop and refine its soft and hard power projection to contend against the increasingly hostile NATO, and it's slowly reacting but should be moving much quicker.

Ultimately, China is a Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat and it tends to reach the correct conclusions, but it has a bit too much inertia and could seriously benefit itself and worker internationalism by adopting stronger and faster policy.

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 5 points 3 hours ago

Xi hasn't nuke yet

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 32 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Drug policy. The war on drugs is bad. It’s bad when America does it, it’s bad when China does it.

I understand the history, in particular regarding opium. That doesn’t make it acceptable in a modern context, the opium wars don’t justify draconian policies on weed in 2026. Especially given that tobacco use is so prevalent while tobacco is more harmful than many other drugs.

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago

America's war on drugs was a campaign to imprison and enslave minorities. China's war on drugs is nowhere as bad. Although they should relax restrictions on less harmful drugs.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah also alcohol, arguably the most overall destructive drug in human history. Drug prohibition is 99% just cultural brainworms all over the world.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

Not sure if it is cultural brainworms as much as it is colonial trauma

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 38 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

i don't think it would too harsh to point out that China has more or less abandoned the idea of proletarian internationalism. i can see why they did it but i don't think it should be above criticism

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Xi Jingping, while a great leader and impressive statesman has ignored foundational research (which i've repeated contacted his government to propose) with world-historical implications. Without figuring this out the CPC forestalls proletarian progress by decades, if not hundreds of years.

All because China hasn't established how many grains makes a heap.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

All the greatest marxist minds in the world and they're just moving tiny particles of silica back and forth while saying 'hrmmm'

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 6 points 3 hours ago

Wrong! They're moving tiny particles of silica back and forth while saying, "Hrmmm… yes, quite…"

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 35 points 6 hours ago

from the sino-soviet split onwards, china has consistently given material support to pretty much every regressive and reactionary force there was during the cold war, including but not limited to khmer rouge, the nicaraguan contras, the laotian anti-communists, the unita puppets of apartheid south africa, the afghan reactionary drug lords, the régime of siaad barre, the pro-israeli forces of the traitor saad haddad in lebanon, the greek military hunta, the dictatorships of augusto pinochet in chile and yahya khan in pakistan and many, many more.

chinese media covering the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the soviet union never misses to highlight the various real and imagined problems within the late soviet system. never does it however lose a word about the fact, that chinese foreign and domestic policy was a major contributing factor to the defeats the communist movement suffered during the late 80s and early 90s

[–] NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 hours ago

I think the comments here have covered the big ones like foreign policy, Sino-Soviet split, etc very well. So I'll mention that the reform and opening up period has a lot of issues that I personally see as right deviationism, even through the lens of developing productive forces and integrating with the world economy by allowing limited capitalist relations. Specifically, dismantling communal farms, and dismantling welfare systems like the iron rice bowl. The state there does step in to manage things like healthcare costs, housing etc, but frankly a workers' state should always be able to guarantee the basic needs of life to the workers, and privatizing these resources into the hands of capitalists only restricts access and commodifies them.

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