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My brother in Christ yes the poets exaggerate but we can map the distance from cities with lasers in space so we know how far he ran. The question is how fast.
Right, but I'm not disputing the distance between cities. That's not the subjective information in this claim. I am disputing if he actually ran a full round trip, just from one to the other, or even just part of that. We could also ask how long it took, or if he even ran it at all.
When ancient sources claim unbelievable things, it is fairly reasonable to just not believe them.
All right, but it isn't exactly unbelievable that someone ran for 2 days then keeled over dead, from exhaustion.
I think how it's depicted is pretty suspicious. If a modern politician like Trump claimed something like that would you believe him?
"Pheidippides was a tremendous runner, really the greatest messenger in the history of messengers. When the Persians (very bad people) were attacking, the generals went to him and said, "We need a runner." He didn't complain. He ran, he fought, he ran again.
He ran all the way to Athens to deliver the good news. He sprinted the whole way, arrived, and shouted, "We won!" (truly a beautiful message). And because he gave it his absolute all, he was totally drained and he tragically collapsed and died. Very sad, but a perfect ending for a hero. Nobody ran better than Pheidippides."
Is that very believable to you? Or does it ring of nationalistic propaganda?
Normally in propaganda the hero doesn't fall over dead from human limitations.
It's far more believable than: Philip the demigod was so tuff he could run for two days straight and not break a sweat.
Heroic sacrifice is a very common trope in propaganda.....Also, I wouldn't claim him to be the overall hero of the battle of marathon. That would prob be Miltiades, Themistocles, or Aristides.
The popularization of the tale of someone running matarathon wasn't popularized until Plutarch wrote about it nearly 500 years later and he named the runner "Eucles, although also possible Thersippus of Eroeada", then around 100 years later Lucian of Samosata gave the same story but names the runner Philippides (not Pheidippides).
And there is a difference between mythology and history.
It's a story that went through millennia, I think a bit of inaccuracy is valid. I mean, I only need a few beers to embellish my stories.
i mean shit it only took... three generations? for my family's old mule story to change from me almost being a medical experiment to me almost being a billionaire potato princess.
I mean ok but what here do you think has been embellished? we know the distance we know human endurance and average health for the time period. As far as ancient stories go this one is pretty cut and dry factual IMHO. No magic no divine fate just a man running until burnout
Maybe he had a horse?
If he had a horse he wouldn't have died....
Maybe he had a heatstroke from being in the sun for too long.
Or the horse shied because he was shouting "Nike!" very loud. And, being on the roller skates, it might have fumbled and buried the messenger under it, thereby killing him.