my understanding is that China's population is largely satisfied with their government, and I can understand that since I've seen nothing but endless improvements year over year for the last ten years now, despite constant "china's about to collapse" and other actually insane propaganda about China so yeah pardon me for thinking you should back up your claim that "calling xi jinping winnie the poo is huge in china (even though the GOVERNMENT will KILL YOU FOR IT)"

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

How does mocking their leader even translate to economic growth or what ever metric you are using?

how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good, and what would you think would motivate them to do so?

I'm not talking "shit is going good" like in America for the last XX years where "the economy" is "doing well" but wages are stagnant and costs for basic goods and services inflate exponentially year over year, I'm talking "the government planned on insane infrastructure investments that would take 5 years but actually got it done in 3, now you can go across the country in 4 hours on a high speed train, 90%+ of the country owns a home, and wages and real benefits are increasing exponentially at the same pace you see their depreciation in western countries"

which like no fucking shit, they actually plan for the future (which western countries have literally used as propaganda i.e. 15 years ago the "ghost city" bullshit where they alleged China built fake cities to juice their GDP. Surprise 10 years later people fucking live in them!) and aren't beholden to the golden principle of "nothing can happen unless it makes the already ultra rich ultra richer"

anyway, going back to you backing up your claim that "it seems huge" in China to "mock Xi Jinping" as being Winnie the Pooh, yeah, you wanna do that? Or are you just a bloviating piece of shit shit-lib two steps away from becoming a fascist?

[–] tlmcleod@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good

Every single anarchist.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 months ago

Can confirm

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Let's just face the fact that we are too far away to convince each other. If you don't belief that censorship is real and people fight back, none of my sources would ever convince you. I came here to understand, not to convince or be convinced

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have not proven that there are people "fighting back" against the CPC. They have over 90% support from the people. The "Winnie" joke is far more popular in the west, not only because anti-China sentiment is higher in the west but for the reasoning given by others regarding its racist undertones.

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You have not proven that there are people "fighting back" against the CPC

And I specifically said I'm not going to. I'm not going to spend energy to research a point just to give y'all the opportunity to reject my sources anyway. I know what to expect from an online discussion and what not and this is an agree to disagree situation. I see now how it can be read as racist which I didn't get before and that's more than I expected from this.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

Surely that's more of a reason to research approval rates in China, no? One of the biggest tools of western imperialism is manufacturing the idea that the CPC is an iron dictatorship, and that the people yearn for freedom from them. The fact that the opposite is the case is certainly important, no?

[–] redparadise@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 4 months ago

If you are unable to reinforce said claim with a source, you should not be making said claim.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

You came here to bullshit

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

cool story

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 4 months ago

Thanks

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago

People pointing out that a claim has no basis or evidence is proving it wrong

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah what the hell was that person thinking, asking you to show any evidence for the garbage that you spew without any regard for accuracy