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"Group A can afford X goods, while Group B cannot" does not self-evidently equate to "Group A is exploiting Group B". I was asking you to trace the logic of this. If you're so confident of it, it shouldn't be hard.
You gave a response that ambiguously could have referenced multiple things, then said I was being vague.
A proletarian making minimum wage in the US is not the same as "the stochastic quality of life options for any given American". From the beginning I was talking about the working class, the lifetime net debtors, the precarious class. How does it figure that the exploitation of the proletariat of the global South is being done by the American precarious class, instead of the American owning class?
That's because you're assuming (multiple times now) and I wasn't saying that proles from the West are directly exploiting those in the periphery. I said, in my original post, that despite growing up in some of the shittiest conditions that I still don't recognize my struggles over people in the periphery because of the wide variety of options a prole can have in America compared to those in the periphery. Even the poorest one. That was my original point.
Petrodollar was something I'm already aware of, I gave an example of how colonizer schools influence economics and local-regional politics in these nations to adopt neoliberal economics. The flow of goods and deals the exploited in those nations make for the Imperial Core has plenty of collaborators from those schools of thought, hence why I cited Argentina.
I never directly said "Western proles exploit those on the periphery". Benefit from the exploitation of the periphery by the ruling class of the core? Yes. All though, I suppose if you want an example; there are plenty of local agri-businesses in many parts of the country that literally rely on ripping people's Visas from them by advertising good jobs and benefits and then turning on them when they get here. That's a global thing, however and even other colonized countries do it to less developed countries (Saudi Arabia, Philippines for example.). But that's not the "working class", kulaks, petty-bougie, etc...What the core working class benefits from is the cheap fruit, labor and vegetables while they are free to pursue the class ladder as a U.S citizen. Entire stratified sections of the economy filled by lumpenprole along the lines of class and race. I think that's a pretty solid example.
You could also read J. Sakai, where they talk about it a bit. Do I spam quotes now to prove I read it or more mental olympics? My tolerance for nonsense has been low lately, so I encourage saying something absurd so I can block you and be done with it.
That's a deeply valid point and I must have just misunderstood the wording the first time.
I appreciate it. Sorry for hostility, I have been dealing with some... intriguing people lately. Did not know if you were going to be that way.
Cheers, comrade.